EPL 2020/2021
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@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwiwomble said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan yeah, but those global mech sales started with these teams being the popular ones to follow, not everyone buying those shirts are hard out fans watching every game etc
Those teams are popular because of one thing. Success. I don't remember people wearing Chelsea jerseys in my childhood, until Roman bought them and they won lots. ManU were set during the Busby years and were enhanced by the class of 92. Real Madrid and Barca, enough said. Same goes for Juve and the Milan teams. Liverpool were the biggest team of the 1980s and have won stuff lately. Arsenal were one of the teams of the 90s. Spurs are the lucky ones, having not won big since the 60s
whats tottenham won? they're 100% just a "cool" club to follow
in general you're right...but that success you talk about was spread over several comps, EPL, FA Cup, league cup, community shield, champions league, Europa League....how long can they live on the legacy of success if they were to be excluded from some or all of those and only be competing for one
First English team to win the European Cup and league double. Since then? A few FA cups and a UEFA cup winners cup in the early 80s. Like I said we are lucky to be invited, I assume because of late we have done quite well. But more crucial is our new stadium
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan FA Cup not European
Plus they were the 3rd club to do it after Preston and Villa - both in 19th Century
Ah thanks for clearing up. Back when winning the FAC was a big deal. We were the first English team to win the European Cup though IIRC
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@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan FA Cup not European
Plus they were the 3rd club to do it after Preston and Villa - both in 19th Century
Ah thanks for clearing up. Back when winning the FAC was a big deal. We were the first English team to win the European Cup though IIRC
Spurs have never won the European Cup.
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@rapido First British club to win a European trophy - the Cup Winners' Cup in 1963 which was always the easiest to take out.
Wolves and Burnley were giants in the late 50s/early 60s and both nearly slid out of the league altogether in the 80s. Things change in football which is part of the appeal.
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@kiwipie said in EPL 2020/2021:
I think the main reason the ESL will fail at this point is that they have pretty much just made it up on the spot without really working out the details.
see, that can't be right. there is no way they have done this without having plans in place. these guys aren't that dumb
but they might be that arrogant i guess.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwipie said in EPL 2020/2021:
I think the main reason the ESL will fail at this point is that they have pretty much just made it up on the spot without really working out the details.
see, that can't be right. there is no way they have done this without having plans in place. these guys aren't that dumb
but they might be that arrogant i guess.
Where money is concerned, I'm sure they have done all of their homework
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwipie said in EPL 2020/2021:
I think the main reason the ESL will fail at this point is that they have pretty much just made it up on the spot without really working out the details.
see, that can't be right. there is no way they have done this without having plans in place. these guys aren't that dumb
but they might be that arrogant i guess.
Discussion has been under way for a while but there has definitely been a rush by certain parties to announce it and declare it is happening as soon as possible.
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@kiwipie said in EPL 2020/2021:
@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwipie said in EPL 2020/2021:
I think the main reason the ESL will fail at this point is that they have pretty much just made it up on the spot without really working out the details.
see, that can't be right. there is no way they have done this without having plans in place. these guys aren't that dumb
but they might be that arrogant i guess.
Discussion has been under way for a while but there has definitely been a rush by certain parties to announce it and declare it is happening as soon as possible.
The outcome will be fascinating. But these clubs are among the biggest, most famous, richest, most storied clubs in the world. They either think the breakaway can work or they are gambling on the current power structure making serious concessions
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@bovidae said in EPL 2020/2021:
There is meant to be an EPL meeting between the other 14 clubs tomorrow. It is expected that they will agree that the "big 6" will have to leave the EPL at the end of the season. That's 19 less home games to generate revenue for those clubs. Who is going to blink first?
Leicester City to win the EPL again!
And don't forget the hundred of millions (billions?) of sets of eye balls that won't tune in without those teams involved.
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So, watched BBC News at 10 last night about this. Could certainly be argued it was a stitch up, but here's how it went
- Explain situation and what happened and why
- Get in business editors to explain how this is better for Football business and talk about the hugely positive effect on Juventus & Man Utd share prices
- Interview lots of British fans. Unanimous disgust at it. Real anger, real venom
- Interview a Frenchman (I think) outside Arsenal. Talk about both sides, mentions it'll be better to see Arsenal play the bigger teams more often
- Interview Inter fan, Simon Wang, in Beijing (in Chinese). Overjoyed with the it. Doesn't want to watch his team play smaller clubs like Sparta Prague etc. Will get to watch Inter play Barca / Real more often..
Get it now.
Asian money > the actual fans who go to the games and have done for generations.
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@majorrage yep that was my initial guess. It's not a bad business plan
I think I read these clubs stand to make more each year than if they did the league/champs league double now
If course that comes at the expense of everybody else
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
@majorrage yep that was my initial guess. It's not a bad business plan
I think I read these clubs stand to make more each year than if they did the league/champs league double now
If course that comes at the expense of everybody else
The Chinese guy was so excited. The parallel to the UK fans was actually quite scary.
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@kiwipie said in EPL 2020/2021:
I think the main reason the ESL will fail at this point is that they have pretty much just made it up on the spot without really working out the details.
Hasn't this been in the pipeline since 2019? I agree they may have rushed the announcement - probably to take steam out of UEFA's announcement the following day - but they must have been talking details for some time? Otherwise, how could anyone make the decision to join?
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What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
This could get ugly. Funny that UEFA and maybe FIFA would take the moral high ground, when they along with the IOC are probably the most corrupt sports organisations in the world. I can't see how they can legally block players from representing their countries, and if it works those international tourneys such as the Euros will suffer if a great number of marquee stars are left out
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@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
Not too much from the current players that I've seen. But Klopp said last night he was against it. He's a fairly big hitter.
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@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
This could get ugly. Funny that UEFA and maybe FIFA would take the moral high ground, when they along with the IOC are probably the most corrupt sports organisations in the world. I can't see how they can legally block players from representing their countries, and if it works those international tourneys such as the Euros will suffer if a great number of marquee stars are left out
I see no reason why they can’t block them if the national federations are on board. Happened with cricket and league. Shit, the ABs disqualify players who play abroad.
Will we then get parallel, non-sanctioned international games? I just find it incredible that the clubs would make this decision without consulting the players. Could unravel very quickly if they form a united front. But can they say no to that sweet sweet cash?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
@canefan said in EPL 2020/2021:
@rancid-schnitzel said in EPL 2020/2021:
What have the players said about this? Obviously much smaller competitions but World Series Cricket and Super League got the players on board first before announcing the comp. I’m sure the players will be nicely compensated but not being able to play international games will be a hard pill to swallow.
This could get ugly. Funny that UEFA and maybe FIFA would take the moral high ground, when they along with the IOC are probably the most corrupt sports organisations in the world. I can't see how they can legally block players from representing their countries, and if it works those international tourneys such as the Euros will suffer if a great number of marquee stars are left out
I see no reason why they can’t block them if the national federations are on board. Happened with cricket and league. Shit, the ABs disqualify players who play abroad.
Will we then get parallel, non-sanctioned international games? I just find it incredible that the clubs would make this decision without consulting the players. Could unravel very quickly if they form a united front. But can they say no to that sweet sweet cash?
They may block them initially. I guess the longer the new league exists, and if it does well and if the existing comps suffer financially, eventually UEFA and the FAs will come to the table. It happened with cricket and league
On one hand I think it would be wise to consult the players. On the other hand, since when do the owners care what the players think? The fact there were no locker room leaks about this thing (despite it being a rumour for a while), and the comments by Mourinho and Klop against the move suggest they were as surprised as anyone.
