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@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
not what happened
Qué?
"The player drops it, it travels forward" is not a complete description of what happened. You need to know what happens after to determine if it's a knock-on.
Yes, if he caught it or not. Did he?
I actually bolded this above for you too . Did you miss it?
Did you read the bit in the rules saying it has to go forward at the point he loses possession for it to count as a knock on? And that it's unclear at what point he loses possession?
By your simplified criteria then yes, it would be a knock-on. I've pointed out that actual rules, for better or worse, are a lot less simple (and less clear) than your interpretation.
It's not simplified, it's the way the law is meant to be interpreted, according to the definition of a knock-on, as explained by Nigel Owens.
BTW, he never has possession, so the more relevant part of the definition of the law is (I expect @Damo to show up and point this out at some point):
When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, orwhen a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm,or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward,and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.On the replay (36 seconds in), he doesn't ever actually get possession, he knocks it forward trying to catch it. The fact that he knocks it forward onto his leg, and then bounces backwards doesn't matter. What does matter is that he doesn't catch it before the ball touches the ground.
I'm a bit late to the party. Still in cricket mode really.
I have now had a look at the replay. I think it's a knock on because it looks to me like it went forward, and the player has continued moving and then it's gone into the players leg and then went backwards. There is no momentum rule regarding a knockon.
However I don't think it is a deadset knockon that cannot be argued. I think it is a little closer than some on here are suggesting. The ball does strike the players leg behind where he first touched the ball relative to his body (but forward in terms of relative to the pitch).
In other words I think it should have been a knockon but I am not getting my pitchfork out.
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Do they have soft signals over in the NH?
Without seeing the whole of the footage; I wonder if what happened is the ref let it go, then the player scored and the TMO had to find clear and obvious footage to show it wasn't a try. He didn't feel able to do so, and so awarded the try.
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@damo said in NH International Rugby:
Do they have soft signals over in the NH?
Without seeing the whole of the footage; I wonder if what happened is the ref let it go, then the player scored and the TMO had to find clear and obvious footage to show it wasn't a try. He didn't feel able to do so, and so awarded the try.
On field decision try. Interesting to contemplate the TMZo’s response to, ‘Is that a try?’.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
In other news. Stage equipment missing, Welsh captain under investigation.
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@catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
In other news. Stage equipment missing, Welsh captain under investigation.
"Alun! Aluuun! That's the wrong way!"
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Pascal Gauzere admits errors with Welsh tries
Referee Pascal Gauzere has admitted that he got it wrong after awarding two controversial tries for Wales against England in the Six Nations on Saturday.
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@billy-tell said in NH International Rugby:
Referee Pascal Gauzere has admitted that he got it wrong after awarding two controversial tries for Wales against England in the Six Nations on Saturday.
so he does nothing of the sort, some other shit ref does it for him, and says "oh i talked to him on the phone"
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The Gallic Shrug must be a great way to avoid consequences. Two appalling decisions resulting in tries, shrug Le frog, just ref the next game. As coach break your covid bubble and fuck over the entire 6 nations program, c'est la vie, no problems
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
The Gallic Shrug must be a great way to avoid consequences. Two appalling decisions resulting in tries, shrug Le frog, just ref the next game. As coach break your covid bubble and fuck over the entire 6 nations program, c'est la vie, no problems
I have absolutely no problem with the first decision. The ref, other team and crowd shouldn't have to wait for the defenders to finish their conference, rehydrate, receive coaching messages, get their heart rates down and get into position.
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@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
French refs need to be banished from rugby. That's atrocious.
How so? Hits his hands then his leg and goes backward into an English player.
It clearly went forward. He dropped it. His own shrug when it was awarded says it all.
Pretty funny to see it happen to England after the lions bullshit though.
I know he he dropped it but it hit his leg and went backwards and then hit an Englishman before it hit the ground. Under the laws of rugby union football I’m pretty sure that’s not a knock on. The issue you’re really complaining about it is the use of a video ref because if there’s no TMO then there’s no way that’s anything but a knock on
At the risk of doing a me ...
... it went forward from his hands and same player didn't catch it = knock on
But I really expect that's been discussed since the weeknd
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@majorrage said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
It is. No other sport comes close to being as up it's own arse.
You really don't watch much golf do you?
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Another dreadful interview by this horrible person. Shame, I thought the BBC coverage of this game otherwise was faultless.
Sonja McLaughlin? Turd.
Beanie. Anti wimnim bully.
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@gibbonrib said in NH International Rugby:
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@junior it went forward. Or was he standing still?
I can’t be assed to check, but it hit the ground closer to English goal line than when it left his hands can we all agree it was forward?
It depends... are knock-ons defined the same way as forward-passes are now?
ie: "forward out of the hands"
If yes - then I can understand the decision.
If not - then I can not.Nope, I'm pretty sure it's still defined as "towards the opposition's dead ball line"
The critical part of the law, as I read it, is whether the player has "lost possession of the ball" (not "lost control"). If a player drops it they haven't necessarily lost possession (otherwise just about every kick from hand would be a knock on). Posession is defined as "a team or individual in control of the ball or who are attempting to bring it under control". So you could argue that LRZ was still attempting to bring the ball under control at least until it hit his leg, in which case no knock-on.
Having said that, I was pretty surprised it was allowed to stand..
@GibbonRib "joined 2 days ago"?
Are ou the username previously known as "GibbonRib"? Welcome back.
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@delicatessen quite a large amount. Huge ego, huge money.
Nowhere near as up it's arse though. More full of shit, well on the better side of an economic ledger, and knows it.
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@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Another dreadful interview by this horrible person. Shame, I thought the BBC coverage of this game otherwise was faultless.
Sonja McLaughlin? Turd.
Beanie. Anti wimnim bully.
I don't mind that KT lady they have in NZ though. She's got pretty hair.
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@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Another dreadful interview by this horrible person. Shame, I thought the BBC coverage of this game otherwise was faultless.
Sonja McLaughlin? Turd.
Beanie. Anti wimnim bully.
Sonja McLaughlan is to post-match interviews what Miles Harrison is to live commentaries.
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@victor-meldrew said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Another dreadful interview by this horrible person. Shame, I thought the BBC coverage of this game otherwise was faultless.
Sonja McLaughlin? Turd.
Beanie. Anti wimnim bully.
Sonja McLaughlan is to post-match interviews what Miles Harrison is to live commentaries.
You wouldn't want to car pool with them.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@victor-meldrew said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Another dreadful interview by this horrible person. Shame, I thought the BBC coverage of this game otherwise was faultless.
Sonja McLaughlin? Turd.
Beanie. Anti wimnim bully.
Sonja McLaughlan is to post-match interviews what Miles Harrison is to live commentaries.
You wouldn't want to car pool with them.
I'm staggered broadcasters actually stick with people like them TBH. They are just so bad at what they do.
