The GOAT
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@antipodean said in The GOAT:
Edwin Moses has to be in the conversation for athletes. Two Olympic gold medals, 4 world records, and he won 107 consecutive finals in the 400 m hurdles. That last feat is amazing.
Agreed. In terms of dominance it's those types of individuals (Bradman, Moses, Redgrave, Merckz etc.) who need to be foremost in discussion of "greatest of all time" - people who commit feats unlikely to be replicated. That being said, even dominance alone isn't enough, otherwise we'd be cheering Alan Francis.
Would you go Jordan over Chamberlain? Marciano over Ali/ Foreman/ Louis? Pele vs Ronaldo/ Messi?
Brady has to be the GOAT for NFL given his amazing longevity and winning percentage. I still place Richie above Brady because of Richie's achievements in a position incomparable in terms of physical punishment on the body.
For women it's hard to go past the level of dominance Heather McKay, who was so good even Jahangir Khan didn't match her. Lost only two matches in her entire career (in 1960 and 1962), and was unbeaten in competitive squash matches from 1962 through to 1981. That's owning a sport.
Someone mentioned he didn’t bowl which is possibly a fair call.....but an all rounder would need a sub 25 bowling average and a 50 plus batting average to even warrant a comparison in my opinion.
No one has really come close to that, ever.
Perhaps a specialist bowler would need a substantial career averaging under 15 or even 10 ?
Pretty close - yet seldom mentioned
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Not really. He’d need to be a considerably better bowler to enter the discussion. Not a slight on Kallis who is an absolute Hall of Famer.....more a tribute to Bradman the freak.
It's a credit to Bradman's freakish record that Sobers and Kallis aren't considered better even with legit all time great batting figures and good bowling figures.
Random point for Wilt - apparently the keyhole was redrawn because of his ridiculous dominance.
Indeed. Or Imran with legit all time great bowling figures and good batting figures. Or Beefy for the same if he retired earlier....
The keyhole is the 3 point line in basketball. It used to look like a keyhole (hence the name), but it had to be widened substantially because of Wilt.
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@antipodean said in The GOAT:
Edwin Moses has to be in the conversation for athletes. Two Olympic gold medals, 4 world records, and he won 107 consecutive finals in the 400 m hurdles. That last feat is amazing.
Agreed. In terms of dominance it's those types of individuals (Bradman, Moses, Redgrave, Merckz etc.) who need to be foremost in discussion of "greatest of all time" - people who commit feats unlikely to be replicated. That being said, even dominance alone isn't enough, otherwise we'd be cheering Alan Francis.
Would you go Jordan over Chamberlain? Marciano over Ali/ Foreman/ Louis? Pele vs Ronaldo/ Messi?
Brady has to be the GOAT for NFL given his amazing longevity and winning percentage. I still place Richie above Brady because of Richie's achievements in a position incomparable in terms of physical punishment on the body.
For women it's hard to go past the level of dominance Heather McKay, who was so good even Jahangir Khan didn't match her. Lost only two matches in her entire career (in 1960 and 1962), and was unbeaten in competitive squash matches from 1962 through to 1981. That's owning a sport.
Someone mentioned he didn’t bowl which is possibly a fair call.....but an all rounder would need a sub 25 bowling average and a 50 plus batting average to even warrant a comparison in my opinion.
No one has really come close to that, ever.
Perhaps a specialist bowler would need a substantial career averaging under 15 or even 10 ?
Pretty close - yet seldom mentioned
Jacques Kallis Profile - Cricket Player South Africa | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Jacques Kallis cricket player from South Africa profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
Not really. He’d need to be a considerably better bowler to enter the discussion. Not a slight on Kallis who is an absolute Hall of Famer.....more a tribute to Bradman the freak.
It's a credit to Bradman's freakish record that Sobers and Kallis aren't considered better even with legit all time great batting figures and good bowling figures.
Random point for Wilt - apparently the keyhole was redrawn because of his ridiculous dominance.
They first widened it because of George Mikan, then again because of Wilt
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@mariner4life @voodoo the Steph revenge tour goes on. It’s a credit to Steph that he can do what he does because of his unbelievable work ethic. He pulled up from the logo in the game because he hit 5 in a row in the warmups. How many in practice sessions, scrimmages...
He will go down as the GOAT shooter.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The GOAT:
@mariner4life @voodoo the Steph revenge tour goes on. It’s a credit to Steph that he can do what he does because of his unbelievable work ethic. He pulled up from the logo in the game because he hit 5 in a row in the warmups. How many in practice sessions, scrimmages...
He will go down as the GOAT shooter.
Yep, agree, undisputed best shooter of all time. Not even close.
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Anyway, this just in from the US: The top 10 GOATs.
1 Tom Brady
2 Michael Jordan
3 Michael Phelps
4 Tiger Woods
5 Muhammad Ali
6 LeBron James
7 Wilt Chamberlain
8 Babe Ruth
9 Willie Mays
10 Joe MontanaMentions to Chris Chelios, Mark Spitz, Carl Lewis, Alex Rodriguez, Joe Namath, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Chang, John Cena, Jeremy Lin and a medicine cabinet on two wheels.
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Anyway, this just in from the US: The top 10 GOATs.
1 Tom Brady
2 Michael Jordan
3 Michael Phelps
4 Tiger Woods
5 Muhammad Ali
6 LeBron James
7 Wilt Chamberlain
8 Babe Ruth
9 Willie Mays
10 Joe MontanaMentions to Chris Chelios, Mark Spitz, Carl Lewis, Alex Rodriguez, Joe Namath, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Chang, John Cena, Jeremy Lin and a medicine cabinet on two wheels.
Was it @antipodean that pointed out that Phelps has only ever won swimming gold medals in Butterfly, medley and relays? Still a lot of gold, but you can't be a swimming GOAT for me if you don't win freestyle races!!!
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Anyway, this just in from the US: The top 10 GOATs.
1 Tom Brady
2 Michael Jordan
3 Michael Phelps
4 Tiger Woods
5 Muhammad Ali
6 LeBron James
7 Wilt Chamberlain
8 Babe Ruth
9 Willie Mays
10 Joe MontanaMentions to Chris Chelios, Mark Spitz, Carl Lewis, Alex Rodriguez, Joe Namath, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Chang, John Cena, Jeremy Lin and a medicine cabinet on two wheels.
Also, get the fuck out with Wilt, I've debunked that myth already, he's not even top 5 in the NBA GOAT conversation
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John Cena?????
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The GOAT:
Ah, right.
So Volleyball's Karch Kiraly would rank way, way above MJ as twice as many people play volleyball as Basketball?
It's one of the factors, not the only factor in my opinion.
Karch was excellent.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The GOAT:
Ah, right.
So Volleyball's Karch Kiraly would rank way, way above MJ as twice as many people play volleyball as Basketball?
Much as it pains me to say based on that logic the GOAT would have to be a Footballer then.
See my last reply
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@MiketheSnow said in The GOAT:
Karch was excellent.
Someone just reminded me of Squash's Jahanger Khan
"Jahangir Khan ( Urdu: جهانگير خان; born 10 December 1963) is a former World No. 1 professional Pakistani squash player. He won the World Open six times, and the British Open ten times. Jahangir Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The GOAT:
@MiketheSnow said in The GOAT:
Karch was excellent.
Someone just reminded me of Squash's Jahanger Khan
"Jahangir Khan ( Urdu: جهانگير خان; born 10 December 1963) is a former World No. 1 professional Pakistani squash player. He won the World Open six times, and the British Open ten times. Jahangir Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
This from Wiki: "Jahangir Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
This also from Wiki: "Jansher Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
I wish they'd make their bloody minds up.
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@Catogrande said in The GOAT:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The GOAT:
@MiketheSnow said in The GOAT:
Karch was excellent.
Someone just reminded me of Squash's Jahanger Khan
"Jahangir Khan ( Urdu: جهانگير خان; born 10 December 1963) is a former World No. 1 professional Pakistani squash player. He won the World Open six times, and the British Open ten times. Jahangir Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
This from Wiki: "Jahangir Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
This also from Wiki: "Jansher Khan is widely regarded as the greatest squash player of all time"
I wish they'd make their bloody minds up.
Imagine if he had a daughter named Jemima...
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Anyway, this just in from the US: The top 10 GOATs.
1 Tom Brady
2 Michael Jordan
3 Michael Phelps
4 Tiger Woods
5 Muhammad Ali
6 LeBron James
7 Wilt Chamberlain
8 Babe Ruth
9 Willie Mays
10 Joe MontanaMentions to Chris Chelios, Mark Spitz, Carl Lewis, Alex Rodriguez, Joe Namath, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Chang, John Cena, Jeremy Lin and a medicine cabinet on two wheels.
Get outta here. WTF?
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Anyway, this just in from the US: The top 10 GOATs.
1 Tom Brady
2 Michael Jordan
3 Michael Phelps
4 Tiger Woods
5 Muhammad Ali
6 LeBron James
7 Wilt Chamberlain
8 Babe Ruth
9 Willie Mays
10 Joe MontanaMentions to Chris Chelios, Mark Spitz, Carl Lewis, Alex Rodriguez, Joe Namath, Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Chang, John Cena, Jeremy Lin and a medicine cabinet on two wheels.
Also, get the fuck out with Wilt, I've debunked that myth already, he's not even top 5 in the NBA GOAT conversation
Wilt was the GOAT off the court.
