Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Which makes it so annoying that our 9s did not snipe around the ruck to draw in defenders. There were a couple of big holes immediately next to ruck late on when Weber came on that went ignored. Smith, TJP and Weber all snipe regularly at SR level, so it leads me to wonder why they all almost exclusively choose to pass at test level, even when they have opportunities to run. We know that the ABs have for years used their 9s to move the ball away from the breakdown as quickly as possible in order to outflank their opposition. However, as you say, the gig is up and we are now so predictable it doesn't matter how quickly the ball is being moved away from the breakdown.
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I remember a rugbypass article, from last year, about beating the rush defence with old Brumbies tactics.
Return of the Brumby: the strategy all the top international teams will be copying
Elements of the Japanese game plan, as well as the motions of particular players, are starting to follow a style of play that's over 20 years old.
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@junior its something I have always been critical of with Sam Nock, up until this year, he passed or kicked, rarely sniped, makes it easer to defend...similarly what you say, we have become too predictable, we are usually the innovators, with other teams always playing catch up.
Often they would, but we'd change shit up again and pull away...now, it seems we let everyone catch up, a couple have crept ahead while we are still cruising along in 3rd, seemingly unsure how to get into 4th.
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of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
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@bayimports So.... is Fozzie not bothering with a left wing?
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports So.... is Fozzie not bothering with a left wing?
not while George is injured
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@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
Is that so?
Then:
The good: getting Jordan a run and Ioane out there.
The bad: Still picking pairs of players they like and not making the tough calls.
If Aonae gets injured (or taken off when SB does something stupid), we’ll be very light and athletic in the loosies with a tired Cane and a tired Savea. Yuck.
The starting backline still sucks a bit and no issues have been addressed.
We’ll win, and win well, due to passion etc. and these problems will seemingly disappear, but they’ll still be the key weaknesses of the team. Unaddressed.
Let’s hope that next year the younger players are seen to be that much more experienced that they cant get away with it.
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@gt12 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
Is that so?
Then:
The good: getting Jordan a run and Ioane out there.
The bad: Still picking pairs of players they like and not making the tough calls.
If Aonae gets injured (or taken off when SB does something stupid), we’ll be very light and athletic in the loosies with a tired Cane and a tired Savea. Yuck.
The starting backline still sucks a bit and no issues have been addressed.
We’ll win, and win well, due to passion etc. and these problems will seemingly disappear, but they’ll still be the key weaknesses of the team. Unaddressed.
Let’s hope that next year the younger players are seen to be that much more experienced that they cant get away with it.
We’ll need to be better to win and not because of some mythical thing called passion. So that’s a good start if anything.
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@ACT-Crusader for Aura's sake we need to win
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@canefan hopefully she has been released from Quarantine!
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports So.... is Fozzie not bothering with a left wing?
smart ass!, fixed that edit long ago.
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@canefan hopefully she has been released from Quarantine!
She's showing symptoms of illness and is in self Isolation
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@gt12 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
Is that so?
Then:
The good: getting Jordan a run and Ioane out there.
The bad: Still picking pairs of players they like and not making the tough calls.
If Aonae gets injured (or taken off when SB does something stupid), we’ll be very light and athletic in the loosies with a tired Cane and a tired Savea. Yuck.
The starting backline still sucks a bit and no issues have been addressed.
We’ll win, and win well, due to passion etc. and these problems will seemingly disappear, but they’ll still be the key weaknesses of the team. Unaddressed.
Let’s hope that next year the younger players are seen to be that much more experienced that they cant get away with it.
We’ll need to be better to win and not because of some mythical thing called passion. So that’s a good start if anything.
My concern is that 'passion' will be manifested in stronger attendance to preparation, stronger effort in contact, and a stronger effort on defense.
So, we will be better, and this will allow some turnovers to be gained (i.e., more opportunities), perhaps some turnovers not be given (i.e., less chance for them to score more than 20 points which seems to be the magic number for beating us), and some space to be generated on the margins (which Barrett, Clarke, and Jordan may exploit), and we'll end up getting a lot more points than our actual strategy probably should generate absent this absolute pinpoint preparation that is dependent on us taking advantage of other team's mistakes to generate points.
All of which may the make it seem like we have turned a corner, until we realize that this is Argentina, a team we should put away without needing to have WC final-esque preparation. I know that's a rude thing to say about the Pumas, but they are not close to the class of England. This AB team would likely get pumped by England right now.
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@mariner4life
Retallick is 29, a World Rugby Player of the Year and as far as I know, not crocked.If we were most other countries he would likely be playing for us now. Another question is, is losing a world class player for 2 years the only viable solution for a situation like his?
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@gt12 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I know that's a rude thing to say about the Pumas, but they are not close to the class of England.
They beat the ABs by 10 point in an away game, then drew with Australia in Australia. A week apart after not playing rugby for 400 or so days.
Has England done that?
