Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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@Gunner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
Yep, a series of quick pick'n'go's without a certain halfback in the way slowing things down. Hopefully that will bring some of their fatties closer to the ruck, and introduce a bit more uncertainty to the defence.
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@Donsteppa and mix it up with A Smith doing his thread the needle pass to the pod standing outside 1st receivers spot too, put indecision into the defence about where we are going, make them think about who has to make the tackle, who has to drift, or who shouldnt drift.
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@bayimports I like your confidence by not selecting a left winger.
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Donsteppa and mix it up with A Smith doing his thread the needle pass to the pod standing outside 1st receivers spot too, put indecision into the defence about where we are going, make them think about who has to make the tackle, who has to drift, or who shouldnt drift.
Argies defence doesn’t bother drifting. They rush hard on the mark.
We have spent so long with patterns to negate the drift D that we have forgotten how to manipulate a direct one. -
@Bovidae said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports I like your confidence by not selecting a left winger.
lol cheers, I did so no changes.. but good spotting edited
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@Chris said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
That game plan is obvious and has-been shut down now,Time to sort out another way of beating these teams.The AB's have to go back to finding a dominate forward pack so we can then release our X factor backs.
That is almost exactly how England crushed Ireland, except replace 'X factor backs' (plural) with 'X factor back' (May)
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@Donsteppa said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Gunner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Pick Kevvy Mealamu to punch through the middle of the ruck, ala a dummy half run in league.
Yep, a series of quick pick'n'go's without a certain halfback in the way slowing things down. Hopefully that will bring some of their fatties closer to the ruck, and introduce a bit more uncertainty to the defence.
Worked a treat Lions 1
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Short passes amongst forwards (and our guys are good enough) to make the oppo forwards commit.
If they don't we go straight through them.
If they do, they aren't lined up waiting for us, and we get some space for the backs.
We do seem to have lost the plot on some of the basics, but hey, what do I know.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The Argy defensive system is pretty annoying. They are ignoring the rucks and just fanning out, rushing up and making tackles. There is little space, and outflanking it is nigh impossible.
Which makes it so annoying that our 9s did not snipe around the ruck to draw in defenders. There were a couple of big holes immediately next to ruck late on when Weber came on that went ignored. Smith, TJP and Weber all snipe regularly at SR level, so it leads me to wonder why they all almost exclusively choose to pass at test level, even when they have opportunities to run. We know that the ABs have for years used their 9s to move the ball away from the breakdown as quickly as possible in order to outflank their opposition. However, as you say, the gig is up and we are now so predictable it doesn't matter how quickly the ball is being moved away from the breakdown.
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I remember a rugbypass article, from last year, about beating the rush defence with old Brumbies tactics.
Return of the Brumby: the strategy all the top international teams will be copying
Elements of the Japanese game plan, as well as the motions of particular players, are starting to follow a style of play that's over 20 years old.
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@junior its something I have always been critical of with Sam Nock, up until this year, he passed or kicked, rarely sniped, makes it easer to defend...similarly what you say, we have become too predictable, we are usually the innovators, with other teams always playing catch up.
Often they would, but we'd change shit up again and pull away...now, it seems we let everyone catch up, a couple have crept ahead while we are still cruising along in 3rd, seemingly unsure how to get into 4th.
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of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
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@bayimports So.... is Fozzie not bothering with a left wing?
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports So.... is Fozzie not bothering with a left wing?
not while George is injured
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@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
Is that so?
Then:
The good: getting Jordan a run and Ioane out there.
The bad: Still picking pairs of players they like and not making the tough calls.
If Aonae gets injured (or taken off when SB does something stupid), we’ll be very light and athletic in the loosies with a tired Cane and a tired Savea. Yuck.
The starting backline still sucks a bit and no issues have been addressed.
We’ll win, and win well, due to passion etc. and these problems will seemingly disappear, but they’ll still be the key weaknesses of the team. Unaddressed.
Let’s hope that next year the younger players are seen to be that much more experienced that they cant get away with it.
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@gt12 said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@bayimports said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
of course he is, didnt you see my if I was Ian Foster team..
Perhaps the second post was a little saucy
Is that so?
Then:
The good: getting Jordan a run and Ioane out there.
The bad: Still picking pairs of players they like and not making the tough calls.
If Aonae gets injured (or taken off when SB does something stupid), we’ll be very light and athletic in the loosies with a tired Cane and a tired Savea. Yuck.
The starting backline still sucks a bit and no issues have been addressed.
We’ll win, and win well, due to passion etc. and these problems will seemingly disappear, but they’ll still be the key weaknesses of the team. Unaddressed.
Let’s hope that next year the younger players are seen to be that much more experienced that they cant get away with it.
We’ll need to be better to win and not because of some mythical thing called passion. So that’s a good start if anything.
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@ACT-Crusader for Aura's sake we need to win
