Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I get this idea of a double playmaker but
a. it suggests the first playmaker can't do it on his own (unlike most if not all other int. teams) andNot everyone is Dan Carter, of course.
And you might be forgetting he played with a few capable second fives - occasionally standing at 12 himself - in a dual playmaker setup. I believe his first few seasons at the crusaders he was 12 to Mehrts' 10
There's a reason Kiwis call 12 a second five and not inside centre.
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@reprobate said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kiwiwomble 15s coming into the line to create the extra man has always been a thing. It's just as valid to do that by coming in at 10 and pushing the others out as by looming up on the outside. Even more so if you have played a bit of 10 and can pass.
i understand running into the line, but that normally happens further out and so can catch a defensive line with a kick when they have already come up or just an extra body on a defensive line that might be trying to force inwards
Just coming up at first receiver, so basically a 10 playing at 10...isn't any different than if RM had just stayed there except your basically told him BB's better and now everyone is out of position at the start of the play
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I get this idea of a double playmaker but
a. it suggests the first playmaker can't do it on his own (unlike most if not all other int. teams) andNot everyone is Dan Carter, of course.
And you might be forgetting he played with a few capable second fives - occasionally standing at 12 himself - in a dual playmaker setup. I believe his first few seasons at the crusaders he was 12 to Mehrts' 10
There's a reason Kiwis call 12 a second five and not inside centre.
A good argument for moving JB to 2nd five would be that we could have a 2nd playmaker involved more often as he could use many of his tools in that role, and his size as an inside center when required.
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Posted a picture of himself scoring one handed in Sydney with the caption "you're welcome" as a bit of an up yours to us plans who questioned the Wellington fuck up.
Uh right.
Did he post a picture of himself NOT diving on the ball as Argentina took possession right in front of him with "Sorry..." or not?
I’ve been slowly forming a view that we should be selecting Akira in the All Blacks at least as often as we have Reiko... but picking Reiko about as often as we’ve been selecting Akira...
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@Donsteppa said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Posted a picture of himself scoring one handed in Sydney with the caption "you're welcome" as a bit of an up yours to us plans who questioned the Wellington fuck up.
Uh right.
Did he post a picture of himself NOT diving on the ball as Argentina took possession right in front of him with "Sorry..." or not?
I’ve been slowly forming a view that we should be selecting Akira in the All Blacks at least as often as we have Reiko... but picking Reiko about as often as we’ve been selecting Akira...
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I get this idea of a double playmaker but
a. it suggests the first playmaker can't do it on his own (unlike most if not all other int. teams) andNot everyone is Dan Carter, of course.
And you might be forgetting he played with a few capable second fives - occasionally standing at 12 himself - in a dual playmaker setup. I believe his first few seasons at the crusaders he was 12 to Mehrts' 10
There's a reason Kiwis call 12 a second five and not inside centre.
Yes DC had his first season At 12 outside Mehrts
It really developed DC quickly as DC was a great defender it worked for the Crusaders very well. -
Broken record time but fark why can't they at least try JB at 12? He had a great midfield combo going with Goodhue at Canterbury. If they seriously think Rieko is a test standard 13 then it's hardly a stretch to think that giraffe can do the job at 12. Shit he'd be far better there than at bloody 14.
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@Chris anyone remember who played 13 outside Carter? trying to get my head around how it worked, was it purely down to DC being DC
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Broken record time but fark why can't they at least try JB at 12? He had a great midfield combo going with Goodhue at Canterbury. If they seriously think Rieko is a test standard 13 then it's hardly a stretch to think that giraffe can do the job at 12. Shit he'd be far better there than at bloody 14.
talk to your Hurricanes coach. That sort of change should absolutely NOT be made at test level
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@Kiwiwomble you summed up the problem better than I did
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Broken record time but fark why can't they at least try JB at 12? He had a great midfield combo going with Goodhue at Canterbury. If they seriously think Rieko is a test standard 13 then it's hardly a stretch to think that giraffe can do the job at 12. Shit he'd be far better there than at bloody 14.
Easier to hide a lack of pace at 12 than 14 that's for sure. The ABs haven't had someone that slow on the wing since Nehe Milner Skudder decided to go sprint training with Owen Franks in the off season.
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@MN5 um by the end of his career NMS was that slow wing.
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@mariner4life said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Broken record time but fark why can't they at least try JB at 12? He had a great midfield combo going with Goodhue at Canterbury. If they seriously think Rieko is a test standard 13 then it's hardly a stretch to think that giraffe can do the job at 12. Shit he'd be far better there than at bloody 14.
talk to your Hurricanes coach. That sort of change should absolutely NOT be made at test level
They're already playing him out of position at 14. They're also playing Ardie out of position at 8. Rieko also doesn't exactly have a body of work at 13 to be playing there at test level either. The whole thing is an absolute shambles.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@MN5 um by the end of his career NMS was that slow wing.
Thank you for confirming the exact point I was making.
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NMS still had a good step though and so could still create space if you had the fullback coming into the line for example...jordie doesn't even do that
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@No-Quarter but a transition from 15 to 14 is much different moving someone to the mid-field, particularly as he hasnt played there at any reasonable level for a couple of years that I can recall.
I suspect if the AB coaches want JB to go there, they will ask/tell the 'canes to push him there, as seems the case with Goodhue at the 'saders
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I get this idea of a double playmaker but
a. it suggests the first playmaker can't do it on his own (unlike most if not all other int. teams) andNot everyone is Dan Carter, of course.
Regards AB 10s, I have standards. I expect them to make good decisions and be able to run a bit. Cruden could. Evans could.
And you might be forgetting he played with a few capable second fives - occasionally standing at 12 himself - in a dual playmaker setup. I believe his first few seasons at the crusaders he was 12 to Mehrts' 10
Carter was 12 in that AB game I don't remember.. but the argument is that a good 10 doesn't need a second playmaker not that a quality 10 cannot play at or learn from playing at 12..and I refer you to Mehrts tackling..
There's a reason Kiwis call 12 a second five and not inside centre.
Yes we aren't Australians, we have reasons and we respect history hence the lower sales of Pete Fizsimon's history as personal anecdote books (http://honesthistory.net.au/wp/peter-fitzsimons-gallipoli-reviewed/).
But we have had inside centres since Carter! JG, ALB, Laumape, Lucky Luke, Nonu.. -
@mariner4life said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Broken record time but fark why can't they at least try JB at 12? He had a great midfield combo going with Goodhue at Canterbury. If they seriously think Rieko is a test standard 13 then it's hardly a stretch to think that giraffe can do the job at 12. Shit he'd be far better there than at bloody 14.
talk to your Hurricanes coach. That sort of change should absolutely NOT be made at test level
He won't answer my texts.
He doesn't get a go at 12 for the Canes because Laumape is there. Where else do you put that square shaped lump?For the sake of the ABs I wish JB had stayed down south. With Crotty injured every 2nd game he would have had heaps of chances to play 12 with Goodhue outside him. At any rate I can't recall him ever even playing wing for the Canes.
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I suspect if the AB coaches want JB to go there, they will ask/tell the 'canes to push him there, as seems the case with Goodhue at the 'saders
How much is the Canes coach going to accede to such a request if he believes that his success is dependent on having his clearly best fullback playing at fullback?
