Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
Oh nooooooooooo, not those Boks and Poms again
Yeah, the problem was not the size and power of the English back row - the problem was the size and power of the English tight 5, coupled by the fact that we were beaten to too many breakdowns, or under-manned at too many breakdowns, because we played a lock on the blindside flank.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
.....and if Ardie grows any taller air traffic control will have to warn any low flying planes
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Argentina team: 1. Tetaz, 2. Julian Montoya, 3. Francisco Gómez-Kodela, 4. Guido Petti, 5. Matias Alemanno, 6. Pablo Matera (C), 7. Marcos Kremer, 8. Rodrigo Bruni, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 10. Nicolas Sánchez, 11. Juan Imhoff, 12. Santiago Chocobares*, 13. Matias Orlando, 14. Bautista Delguy, 15. Santiago Carreras.
Reserves: 16. Facundo Bosch, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Santiago Grondona*, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Gonzalo Bertranou, 22. Lucio Cinti*, 23. Santiago Cordero.
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Wow, so many people talking up Akira and downplaying Frizell. No problem with talking up "the people's choice Akira", his potential is huge but Frizell has been really good so far this year and the best blindside we've had for a while.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
A bloody solid unit is what it means!
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
Maybe you could go back and watch the first 3 games without an eye patch? Frizzel definitely hits a lot of breakdowns... maybe not as noticeable because he's not standing to the side of the ruck with one hand on it...
Agree that he was very busy and hit a lot of breakdowns. Not sure he shifted s lot of bodies or made a lot of metres though.
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
Maybe you could go back and watch the first 3 games without an eye patch? Frizzel definitely hits a lot of breakdowns... maybe not as noticeable because he's not standing to the side of the ruck with one hand on it...
Agree that he was very busy and hit a lot of breakdowns. Not sure he shifted s lot of bodies or made a lot of metres though.
He didn't appear to make a heck of a lot of metres, but there was certainly a high amount of carries with big collisions. I can't be 100% sure but I would've thought that definitely has an impact on the opposition defence and energy. Hitting breakdowns isn't just about shifting bodies visibly. Do we lose breakdowns on our own ball when he's in the first couple there? Is it quick ball or slow ball?
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
Maybe you could go back and watch the first 3 games without an eye patch? Frizzel definitely hits a lot of breakdowns... maybe not as noticeable because he's not standing to the side of the ruck with one hand on it...
If you’d actually read my posts about Frizzell earlier this year you’d have noted that I said I wanted him to get back to his form from before he got injured last year, when he was actually looking like the guy he was hyped to be when coming out of nowhere from the Highlanders bench.
And if you’d read my posts in this thread I even said he was busy.
Not sure who you’re referring to with one hand on the ruck in this context.
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
To me what Frizell brings is really high number of involvements, great athleticism (in a useful way not a Fifita way) and terrific aerial skills (restarts and lineout).
What Akira brings is a lot of strength/power (ball running, breakdowns, tackling) whilst also being very quick and useful in the lineout himself.
It's shaping as an interesting battle.
I’d like it to be an actual battle but only one of the combatants is actually getting any decent time on the battlefield.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
he was hyped
Say what? Chris B doesn't count.
Aside from @Chris-B I was meaning by the AB coaches who somehow found him eating an orange on the Highlanders bench, had a convo in Tongan with him and then anointed him our new Kaino. 😏
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Interestingly the Japanese commentators were going on about the first Japan-born person to play for the All Blacks last Saturday.
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I really don't get why Akira/Frizell is is making heads explode, I am happy for the depth. When you think historically how long the likes of Zinny, Kaino or Buck had to wait its a nonissue for Akira to wait. The rate of attrition in test rugby is so high, having 5 class loose forwards is not a problem.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
Oh nooooooooooo, not those Boks and Poms again
I'm guessing for the next four years that will be the new "sky is falling". What about the Boks and Poms!
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@Old-Samurai-Jack hah, I didn't know that. Bright Ioane!
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@Old-Samurai-Jack I've been saying Frizzell was good but I thought Akira was very effectively disruptive and not just that much quicker he seemed to have a better rugby brain in terms of knowing just where to place himself. Then again he might have gone off the boil if he stayed on any longer-who knows?
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@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Argentina team: 1. Tetaz, 2. Julian Montoya, 3. Francisco Gómez-Kodela, 4. Guido Petti, 5. Matias Alemanno, 6. Pablo Matera (C), 7. Marcos Kremer, 8. Rodrigo Bruni, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 10. Nicolas Sánchez, 11. Juan Imhoff, 12. Santiago Chocobares*, 13. Matias Orlando, 14. Bautista Delguy, 15. Santiago Carreras.
Reserves: 16. Facundo Bosch, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Santiago Grondona*, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Gonzalo Bertranou, 22. Lucio Cinti*, 23. Santiago Cordero.
They really have someone called Chocobares????
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A little background about the Argentinean team's preparation.
2020 Tri Nations: Argentina ready to upset the odds after long layoff | World Rugby
Mario Ledesma’s side are finally in Australia after months of disruption caused by the pandemic. Match-ready New Zealand and Australia sides lie ahead of them...
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Should also keep in mind they've got Chieka as an assistant. So put that in the negative column for them.
