Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@nzzp said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@nzzp people hate paying tax. Put the tax paid up there in lights and it may change views.
If it sells now for $1, then put 10pct tax it’s now $1.10. If corporate is willing to sell it at 90c then the end price doesn’t change. But if its advertised at 90c + 10c tax .... small mentality change.
hang on - so the proposal is to tax sugary things extra, not to tax sugar? I've misunderstood that then - I thought it was a 'tax on sugar' - ie the more sugar, the higher the tax; not a 'pick things we don't like and tax them'.
Dangerous as fruit based drinks can have very high natural sugar contents.
Yep. There are heaps of things with high sugar. Juice, breakfast cereals, yoghurts, muesli bars etc.
The natural vs added will be an absolute bitch
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What are people's thoughts on restricting advertising, use of toys, cartoons etc. The industry is quick to say they advertise responsibly but the entire point of advertising is to get people to buy your product. They don't pay for ads to simply "inform" the public about their wonderful product. They spend millions figuring out exactly how to get kids/young people to buy their shit.
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory. Good way to get my family to go to Maccas after the game. I also remember reading that nearly every kid on the planet knows who Ronald Mcdonald is.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory.
still happens (Maccas, BK or Subway voucher) only 'positive' is on the voucher it says free cheeseburger OR wrap (healthy option) even if we know what the kid will choose.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
What are people's thoughts on restricting advertising, use of toys, cartoons etc. The industry is quick to say they advertise responsibly but the entire point of advertising is to get people to buy your product. They don't pay for ads to simply "inform" the public about their wonderful product. They spend millions figuring out exactly how to get kids/young people to buy their shit.
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory. Good way to get my family to go to Maccas after the game. I also remember reading that nearly every kid on the planet knows who Ronald Mcdonald is.
I'm not stopping a big corporation putting money in to kids sport. That's what sponsorship is, you want a return.
But again, kids can't buy themselves happy meals. Adults can. And i am willing to bet an enormous amount that monopoly, a promotion aimed at adults, nets them way more sales than happy meal toys.
My kids eat maccas once a week. at least. fuck it who cares. They play an enormous amount of sport, and eat heaps of fruit (veges is taking a little longer...)
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Bill Burr, "You ate your way in, now you can walk your way out".
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
What are people's thoughts on restricting advertising, use of toys, cartoons etc. The industry is quick to say they advertise responsibly but the entire point of advertising is to get people to buy your product. They don't pay for ads to simply "inform" the public about their wonderful product. They spend millions figuring out exactly how to get kids/young people to buy their shit.
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory. Good way to get my family to go to Maccas after the game. I also remember reading that nearly every kid on the planet knows who Ronald Mcdonald is.
I'm not stopping a big corporation putting money in to kids sport. That's what sponsorship is, you want a return.
But again, kids can't buy themselves happy meals. Adults can. And i am willing to bet an enormous amount that monopoly, a promotion aimed at adults, nets them way more sales than happy meal toys.
My kids eat maccas once a week. at least. fuck it who cares. They play an enormous amount of sport, and eat heaps of fruit (veges is taking a little longer...)
Yeah this. Macca's ain't cheap anymore and in the vast majority of cases the parents both pay for it and take them there. What happened to being responsible and accountable?
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club. And why the hell not? These kids train hard almost every day and have barely any fat on them.
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous. My son has a swimming meet this weekend and I'm paying $8.50 a race! When both my boys were swimming I was looking at $68 a meet. And thats only for 50m. Hoping he'll go 400 or 800 so I can get my money's worth!
So ultimately if you get your kids involved in sport and keep them active then they really shouldn't lard up. It's obviously a different story for adults but if you exercise regularly you have to eat a hell of alot of crap to be dangerously overweight.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club.
school tuck shops or canteens still have shitty food too, which is a bigger issue as the already fat kids have access to more shitty food.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous.
cheers to the QRU. My sons' rugby season, all 8 games of it, is costing $150. He's 9.
Sport is prohibitively expensive for kids. And it's all fucking insurance. Seriously, fuck the insurance industry hard in its own face.
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@taniwharugby said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club.
school tuck shops or canteens still have shitty food too, which is a bigger issue as the already fat kids have access to more shitty food.
it's waaaaay better than when we were kids. The variety of options available at my kids school is incredible, and it's pretty much all healthy options. "bought lunch" when i was a kid in primary school was a pie and a donut.
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@mariner4life not at my kids school...although I am going by what they say, which is often BS.
But I dont think there are enough healthy options though
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@taniwharugby said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club.
school tuck shops or canteens still have shitty food too, which is a bigger issue as the already fat kids have access to more shitty food.
it's waaaaay better than when we were kids. The variety of options available at my kids school is incredible, and it's pretty much all healthy options. "bought lunch" when i was a kid in primary school was a pie and a donut.
Yep. I remember pies, sausage rolls, pizza slices and toasted sandwiches. Then packs of chips, lollies, ice blocks, donuts and cream buns. That was more than 30 years ago. This notion that cheap crappy food is a new thing is weird.
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous.
cheers to the QRU. My sons' rugby season, all 8 games of it, is costing $150. He's 9.
Sport is prohibitively expensive for kids. And it's all fucking insurance. Seriously, fuck the insurance industry hard in its own face.
Actually I'd say fück the ambulance chasers. Some parents have wrecked it for everyone as well. My brother was knocked out in a school rugby game in the mid 90s. Needed a scan and everything but all good and my parents understood that it was part of the game. But mum actually had parents coming up to her asking if she was going to sue the school. And I'll bet lots of parents have.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous.
cheers to the QRU. My sons' rugby season, all 8 games of it, is costing $150. He's 9.
Sport is prohibitively expensive for kids. And it's all fucking insurance. Seriously, fuck the insurance industry hard in its own face.
Actually I'd say fück the ambulance chasers. Some parents have wrecked it for everyone as well. My brother was knocked out in a school rugby game in the mid 90s. Needed a scan and everything but all good and my parents understood that it was part of the game. But mum actually had parents coming up to her asking if she was going to sue the school. And I'll bet lots of parents have.
oh you get no argument from me there. Shine Lawyers, and Maurice Blackburn can fuck entirely off.
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@voodoo get a job you bum
Fuck you, I'm back at work already! Had calls til 8pm last night!!!
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@voodoo said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@voodoo get a job you bum
Fuck you, I'm back at work already! Had calls til 8pm last night!!!
alright then, as you were...
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My daughter has gone from being born and raised in Japan to the final two years of high school in NZ and living in a high school dormitory. She sends pictures of the slop they serve up and asks me "Would you eat this?". A lot of the weekend meals have no vegetables at all. She skips meals on occasion and supplements her diet with supermarket visits to survive both nutritionally and mental-health wise. The size of a lot of the kids her age (16/17/18) is quite alarming. You can see the damage the diet is doing and the health problems that will occur later in life. You see the parents/family photos and realize how much of a problem it is in NZ . The thing is that these kids, like a lot of NZ, are seriously active! But as the professionals say, "You can't out-exercise a bad diet".
Having lived in Japan most of my life now, every time I go back I can't get over the body shapes and the food habits of many people. It is genuinely scary! -
Disclaimer: I drink a lot, get told at the work health checks I need to lose weight (178cm ,75kg) , and my kids call me all sorts of names. I am not super-fit so probably there is a wee bit of hypocrisy in the previous post
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Regarding advertising, I found this from an American study on how much they spend on advertising to youth. It is a little dated being 2006 but shows 2 billion was spent trying to get youth to eat mostly unhealthy food. The scary thing is how little is spent advertising fruit and veg, I believe that is .5%
This also raises an interesting point in that the fresh fruit and veg industry don't appear to have a very strong lobby that advertises for them. You rarely see an ad for fresh strawberries but there is a shitload of ads for strawberry jam, strawberry milk, and strawberry flavoured sugary treats. In fact fresh fruit is often a lot more expensive than the sugar added processed product.
