Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?
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@nzzp people hate paying tax. Put the tax paid up there in lights and it may change views.
If it sells now for $1, then put 10pct tax it’s now $1.10. If corporate is willing to sell it at 90c then the end price doesn’t change. But if its advertised at 90c + 10c tax .... small mentality change.
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@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@nzzp people hate paying tax. Put the tax paid up there in lights and it may change views.
If it sells now for $1, then put 10pct tax it’s now $1.10. If corporate is willing to sell it at 90c then the end price doesn’t change. But if its advertised at 90c + 10c tax .... small mentality change.
hang on - so the proposal is to tax sugary things extra, not to tax sugar? I've misunderstood that then - I thought it was a 'tax on sugar' - ie the more sugar, the higher the tax; not a 'pick things we don't like and tax them'.
Dangerous as fruit based drinks can have very high natural sugar contents.
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@MajorRage i understand the argument for tax, but I'm not really for it, for 2 reasons
I'm not convinced taxes actually work. If they did, people would smoke and drink waaaay less. The taxes on those items are absolutely massive. There has been a decrease in smoking, but i am convinced education and other measures have had more effect than the continual price rises.
Also, governments are addicted to tax. And there is zero chance a "sugar/fat" tax is going towards health initiatives. They may say that, but ultimately it goes in to the pot and spent on election bribes and what ever their pet projects are.
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I shouldn't really comment on this thread, i have a metabolism that allows me to eat pretty much what i want (not quite now that i am in to my mid-40s) and not stack too much weight on
Things I used to say... My body was always super responsive to effort and I took that for granted for decades. Now, not so much.
And do it before you are a fat mess, because once it's there, moving it is fucking hard.
Amen. Maintenance makes a massive difference.
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage i understand the argument for tax, but I'm not really for it, for 2 reasons
I'm not convinced taxes actually work. If they did, people would smoke and drink waaaay less. The taxes on those items are absolutely massive. There has been a decrease in smoking, but i am convinced education and other measures have had more effect than the continual price rises.
Also, governments are addicted to tax. And there is zero chance a "sugar/fat" tax is going towards health initiatives. They may say that, but ultimately it goes in to the pot and spent on election bribes and what ever their pet projects are.
I think taxes on smoking had a massive effect on the number of smokers. It doesn't happen straight away but if you keep increasing the tax and taking the product further and further away in affordability then it makes people think.
For booze it seems that the tax just moves with general costs and inflation so there hasn't really been that in your face disincentive.My view on a sugar tax is like GST on food. There will be sod all difference in our supermarket controlled marketplace that works to price points. They know what someone is willing to pay at retail level so will demand either a reduction in wholesale price or, in the case of reduced GST, will increase the margin.
In short without controlling the market tax changes will get absorbed.
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@nzzp said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@nzzp people hate paying tax. Put the tax paid up there in lights and it may change views.
If it sells now for $1, then put 10pct tax it’s now $1.10. If corporate is willing to sell it at 90c then the end price doesn’t change. But if its advertised at 90c + 10c tax .... small mentality change.
hang on - so the proposal is to tax sugary things extra, not to tax sugar? I've misunderstood that then - I thought it was a 'tax on sugar' - ie the more sugar, the higher the tax; not a 'pick things we don't like and tax them'.
Dangerous as fruit based drinks can have very high natural sugar contents.
Yep. There are heaps of things with high sugar. Juice, breakfast cereals, yoghurts, muesli bars etc. Shit, a heap of dairy stuff will make you a fat arse as well.
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@Crucial said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
In short without controlling the market tax changes will get absorbed.
Just thinking about it, for alcohol there is a proposal for a price 'floor' (minimum charge per unit). Despite the big taxes, people find ways to produce and sell it really cheaply
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@nzzp said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@MajorRage said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@nzzp people hate paying tax. Put the tax paid up there in lights and it may change views.
If it sells now for $1, then put 10pct tax it’s now $1.10. If corporate is willing to sell it at 90c then the end price doesn’t change. But if its advertised at 90c + 10c tax .... small mentality change.
hang on - so the proposal is to tax sugary things extra, not to tax sugar? I've misunderstood that then - I thought it was a 'tax on sugar' - ie the more sugar, the higher the tax; not a 'pick things we don't like and tax them'.
Dangerous as fruit based drinks can have very high natural sugar contents.
Yep. There are heaps of things with high sugar. Juice, breakfast cereals, yoghurts, muesli bars etc.
The natural vs added will be an absolute bitch
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What are people's thoughts on restricting advertising, use of toys, cartoons etc. The industry is quick to say they advertise responsibly but the entire point of advertising is to get people to buy your product. They don't pay for ads to simply "inform" the public about their wonderful product. They spend millions figuring out exactly how to get kids/young people to buy their shit.
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory. Good way to get my family to go to Maccas after the game. I also remember reading that nearly every kid on the planet knows who Ronald Mcdonald is.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory.
still happens (Maccas, BK or Subway voucher) only 'positive' is on the voucher it says free cheeseburger OR wrap (healthy option) even if we know what the kid will choose.
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@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
What are people's thoughts on restricting advertising, use of toys, cartoons etc. The industry is quick to say they advertise responsibly but the entire point of advertising is to get people to buy your product. They don't pay for ads to simply "inform" the public about their wonderful product. They spend millions figuring out exactly how to get kids/young people to buy their shit.
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory. Good way to get my family to go to Maccas after the game. I also remember reading that nearly every kid on the planet knows who Ronald Mcdonald is.
I'm not stopping a big corporation putting money in to kids sport. That's what sponsorship is, you want a return.
But again, kids can't buy themselves happy meals. Adults can. And i am willing to bet an enormous amount that monopoly, a promotion aimed at adults, nets them way more sales than happy meal toys.
My kids eat maccas once a week. at least. fuck it who cares. They play an enormous amount of sport, and eat heaps of fruit (veges is taking a little longer...)
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Bill Burr, "You ate your way in, now you can walk your way out".
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@chimoaus said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
What are people's thoughts on restricting advertising, use of toys, cartoons etc. The industry is quick to say they advertise responsibly but the entire point of advertising is to get people to buy your product. They don't pay for ads to simply "inform" the public about their wonderful product. They spend millions figuring out exactly how to get kids/young people to buy their shit.
I remember playing rugby and the player of the day got a Mcdonalds voucher for a free Happy Meal from memory. Good way to get my family to go to Maccas after the game. I also remember reading that nearly every kid on the planet knows who Ronald Mcdonald is.
I'm not stopping a big corporation putting money in to kids sport. That's what sponsorship is, you want a return.
But again, kids can't buy themselves happy meals. Adults can. And i am willing to bet an enormous amount that monopoly, a promotion aimed at adults, nets them way more sales than happy meal toys.
My kids eat maccas once a week. at least. fuck it who cares. They play an enormous amount of sport, and eat heaps of fruit (veges is taking a little longer...)
Yeah this. Macca's ain't cheap anymore and in the vast majority of cases the parents both pay for it and take them there. What happened to being responsible and accountable?
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club. And why the hell not? These kids train hard almost every day and have barely any fat on them.
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous. My son has a swimming meet this weekend and I'm paying $8.50 a race! When both my boys were swimming I was looking at $68 a meet. And thats only for 50m. Hoping he'll go 400 or 800 so I can get my money's worth!
So ultimately if you get your kids involved in sport and keep them active then they really shouldn't lard up. It's obviously a different story for adults but if you exercise regularly you have to eat a hell of alot of crap to be dangerously overweight.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club.
school tuck shops or canteens still have shitty food too, which is a bigger issue as the already fat kids have access to more shitty food.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous.
cheers to the QRU. My sons' rugby season, all 8 games of it, is costing $150. He's 9.
Sport is prohibitively expensive for kids. And it's all fucking insurance. Seriously, fuck the insurance industry hard in its own face.
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@taniwharugby said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club.
school tuck shops or canteens still have shitty food too, which is a bigger issue as the already fat kids have access to more shitty food.
it's waaaaay better than when we were kids. The variety of options available at my kids school is incredible, and it's pretty much all healthy options. "bought lunch" when i was a kid in primary school was a pie and a donut.
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@mariner4life not at my kids school...although I am going by what they say, which is often BS.
But I dont think there are enough healthy options though
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@taniwharugby said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
I'm heavily involved with my son's swimming club and we sell all kinds of crap at the canteen on club night to make money for the club.
school tuck shops or canteens still have shitty food too, which is a bigger issue as the already fat kids have access to more shitty food.
it's waaaaay better than when we were kids. The variety of options available at my kids school is incredible, and it's pretty much all healthy options. "bought lunch" when i was a kid in primary school was a pie and a donut.
Yep. I remember pies, sausage rolls, pizza slices and toasted sandwiches. Then packs of chips, lollies, ice blocks, donuts and cream buns. That was more than 30 years ago. This notion that cheap crappy food is a new thing is weird.
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@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous.
cheers to the QRU. My sons' rugby season, all 8 games of it, is costing $150. He's 9.
Sport is prohibitively expensive for kids. And it's all fucking insurance. Seriously, fuck the insurance industry hard in its own face.
Actually I'd say fück the ambulance chasers. Some parents have wrecked it for everyone as well. My brother was knocked out in a school rugby game in the mid 90s. Needed a scan and everything but all good and my parents understood that it was part of the game. But mum actually had parents coming up to her asking if she was going to sue the school. And I'll bet lots of parents have.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@mariner4life said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Fighting Obesity - Thoughts?:
Maybe they should be looking to reduce the price of having kids involved in sports because it's sometimes ridiculous.
cheers to the QRU. My sons' rugby season, all 8 games of it, is costing $150. He's 9.
Sport is prohibitively expensive for kids. And it's all fucking insurance. Seriously, fuck the insurance industry hard in its own face.
Actually I'd say fück the ambulance chasers. Some parents have wrecked it for everyone as well. My brother was knocked out in a school rugby game in the mid 90s. Needed a scan and everything but all good and my parents understood that it was part of the game. But mum actually had parents coming up to her asking if she was going to sue the school. And I'll bet lots of parents have.
oh you get no argument from me there. Shine Lawyers, and Maurice Blackburn can fuck entirely off.
