The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@DMX
teams https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2019/match/newzealand-southafrica
Arguably
3 Laulala was better last year
6 Frizzel might be better (well, specialist) than 2019 Ardie at 6
8 Sotutu better now than 2019 Read (am I allowed to say this?)
11 Clarke better now even than G Bridge then
12 Crotty better (arguably) than J Goodhue at 12
14 Reece better last year (faster anyway) than JB now -
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@DMX
teams https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2019/match/newzealand-southafrica
Arguably
3 Laulala was better last year
6 Frizzel might be better (well, specialist) than 2019 Ardie at 6
8 Sotutu better now than 2019 Read (am I allowed to say this?)
11 Clarke better now even than G Bridge then
12 Crotty better (arguably) than J Goodhue at 12
14 Reece better last year (faster anyway) than JB nowYou seem to be arguing much of my my case for me. I would add Ofa same as last years Laulala, Whitelock playing better, Patty T. better than Barrett, any of our two backrows better, Ritchie better otherwise backs not that different, I'll give you Crotty over Goodhue at 12.
I was also making the point that "but we don't have our best 14 sorted, enough locks, a totally resolved midfield, and without A Smith we are probably stuffed." were things you could have equally said last year.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We might be stronger in some positions but we don't have our best 14 sorted, enough locks, a totally resolved midfield, and without A Smith we are probably stuffed.
What have SA got sorted?
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@Bones @DMX
I'm not really trying to say 2020 SA would easily beat ABs.
I guess more I am saying there are still things that really need fixing especially if we played 2020/2021 England that was like England 2019.
Against the Boks I would expect them to be better because their coach is good (Coach of 2019) and seems adaptable.
I reckon he noticed how England strangled the ABs and if those crucial positions aren't fixed he may have the time and team to better implement England-like tactics.
Therefore 2020 Johan 'Rassie' Erasmus + neo-England/Eddie strategy + more experienced Boks > than 2019 Johan 'Rassie' Erasmus plus baby Boks.
I'm no expert on the current Boks so perhaps I am mistaken there. -
@nostrildamus yeah I'm no fan of fozzie but it just makes zero sense to me to be dismissing the ABs on how they're playing because they didn't absolutely dominate the opposition from 0-80 and might struggle playing like that against a team who either isn't even going to play, or last played well in a game last year that they honed their whole 4 year cycle on.
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@Kirwan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
The current side reminds of 2003 where we rely on opposition mistakes and them kicking to us. If our opposition plays conservatively, or kicks well, this team is going to struggle.
TBF, I've seen enough in the last 2 tests to suggest the ABs are aware of this and starting to tighten up their play.
The trick is to be able to throw the switch when needed and that may be some time off, but at least it's progress, I guess, that they are at least working on it.
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@Bones I'm not dismissing the ABs at all, I just find it hard to measure their level because Wallabies test 1 were so good and 2/3 fell away dramatically.
Bled 3 is super hard to judge because they did not have JoC and Toomua there-I think everyone agrees they lack experience and control in important positions if those 2 are not there. And possibly White is key as well. -
I was very happy to see the ABs have a quick and powerful start for once (in Bled 3). From what I could see the turning point seemed to be from a dominant ALB tackle but that does not quite make sense-it probably was a forward set piece.
Regardless somewhere 5-10 min the Wallabies suddenly and markedly began to look stilted and running uphill (apart from 40-60 min in). -
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Bones @DMX
I'm not really trying to say 2020 SA would easily beat ABs.
I guess more I am saying there are still things that really need fixing especially if we played 2020/2021 England that was like England 2019.
Against the Boks I would expect them to be better because their coach is good (Coach of 2019) and seems adaptable.
I reckon he noticed how England strangled the ABs and if those crucial positions aren't fixed he may have the time and team to better implement England-like tactics.
Therefore 2020 Johan 'Rassie' Erasmus + neo-England/Eddie strategy + more experienced Boks > than 2019 Johan 'Rassie' Erasmus plus baby Boks.
I'm no expert on the current Boks so perhaps I am mistaken there.Erasmus isn't coach this year.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We might be stronger in some positions but we don't have our best 14 sorted, enough locks, a totally resolved midfield, and without A Smith we are probably stuffed.
What have SA got sorted?
A clever way to hold onto number 1 ranking for a really long time
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@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Bones @DMX
I'm not really trying to say 2020 SA would easily beat ABs.
I guess more I am saying there are still things that really need fixing especially if we played 2020/2021 England that was like England 2019.
Against the Boks I would expect them to be better because their coach is good (Coach of 2019) and seems adaptable.
I reckon he noticed how England strangled the ABs and if those crucial positions aren't fixed he may have the time and team to better implement England-like tactics.
Therefore 2020 Johan 'Rassie' Erasmus + neo-England/Eddie strategy + more experienced Boks > than 2019 Johan 'Rassie' Erasmus plus baby Boks.
I'm no expert on the current Boks so perhaps I am mistaken there.Erasmus isn't coach this year.
He's as good as coach, he's just put someone in underneath him to take some of the load. He's still in control, I reckon
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@DMX I think we can definitely beat them but doubt that it will be a hiding. We simply don't have the pack to dominate them or England atm. How many ABs would currently make a combined AB/Bok pack? I think only Cane and Whitelock would. We have better backs though.
I know one thing that is certain, I wouldn’t pick one Springbok in a combine All Black-Springbok team.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@DMX I think we can definitely beat them but doubt that it will be a hiding. We simply don't have the pack to dominate them or England atm. How many ABs would currently make a combined AB/Bok pack? I think only Cane and Whitelock would. We have better backs though.
I know one thing that is certain, I wouldn’t pick one Springbok in a combine All Black-Springbok team.
That makes zero sense
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@ACT-Crusader could be Fitzy not Meg.
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@Duluth said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Too early to judge his coaching yet.
However one thing I have enjoyed are his press conferences. Clear concise and actually provides information. It's a pleasant change after all of the Hansen snark
Hadn't really thought about it, but yeah, Hansen could be a bit abrasive with the press. Ted was always a bit tongue in cheek, so it went down O.K.
Fozzie doing it well so far for sure. See what happens after a loss I guess.
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Gotta say the Bled IV lineup is interesting. Kudos.
