Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Didn't Carter nail a last minute drop goal in the wet in Wellington vs Ireland in 2008?
Not in that test.
DC 8 droppies in 112 tests.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Didn't Carter nail a last minute drop goal in the wet in Wellington vs Ireland in 2008?
EDIT - sorry it was in Christchurch.
I kind of remember DC doing one but couldn't specify. I couldn't remember if it was for the win or icing on top
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2012 vs Ireland in Christchurch
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Didn't Carter nail a last minute drop goal in the wet in Wellington vs Ireland in 2008?
Not in that test.
DC 8 droppies in 112 tests.
Goes to show we aren't DG exponents if the GOAT AB 10 has only taken 8 of them in 112 tests. What chance did Moounga have? Don't get me wrong, I am not excusing his flat game
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Jeff Wilson albeit in a more high pressure situation, last roll of the dice to win the game, was near inconsolable after that game where Gregan stole the show.
So it’s not quite the same situation. But it’s close enough. And to see Reiko was all smiles afterward either means he’s not aware of what it meant to fuck up like that or he doesn’t care.
He’s young and young men often don’t understand the gravity of a situation. It’s not life or death but this is Bledisloe rugby. It’s not for me to tell another man how to feel but I was surprised, if not pissed off he was all smiles.
Foster could not accept that Reiko needed dropping which he clearly does and that the ABs were the lesser team yesterday. It was fucking obvious. Save for a few moments of brilliance we were out played. But in the presser when delivered the stats and having been present live at the fucking game chose to look at it another way that possession does not always add up to a winning percentage. But then said the stats went too far in their favour. What in the fuck does that mean???
It’s only one game and it’s unlikely that we will play that type of passionless rugby 2 games in a row. But ffs it’d be good to hear some accountability for an average as fuck performance.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
2012 vs Ireland in Christchurch
Was it for a late win?
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@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Didn't Carter nail a last minute drop goal in the wet in Wellington vs Ireland in 2008?
Not in that test.
DC 8 droppies in 112 tests.
Goes to show we aren't DG exponents if the GOAT AB 10 has only taken 8 of them in 112 tests. What chance did Moounga have? Don't get me wrong, I am not excusing his flat game
He’s attempted more than 8, but not that many more!
I remember the first test match he nailed one, after all the talk following the 07 QF, it was against the Boks in 08 at Carisbrook. ABs lost.
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Yip I remember that one. It was solidly applauded and I thought at the time it was a massive cop out from any one cheering a droppie because we all usually booed and hissed when someone even attempted and missed vs us. As if it was the ponsiest thing ever. And here we were cheering.
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3 years now, same shit.
ABs need some news eyes and ideas. I've no doubt it's wholly professional and determined in that camp but the tactics on the day, ( non rush defence, going wide so much, playing to win with little ball), haven't changed in a few seasons now. Stagnated perhaps.
It's like there's only one way to play and by hook or by crook we're going to persevere until it all falls into place.
We're rather uninspiring of lateAll a bit disappointing, but hang on it's only the first, so give them a chance.
Christ, all I can think about is Foster's successes and innovations achieved over his long coaching career...
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@raznomore said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan I would never wish for a losing season but it is the fastest way to get new coaches..
It’s one game Raz calm the hell down...
I can't recall an AB coach ever being fired while on contract before. Contract not renewed is different...
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Its early days, but Hansen took positive things from GHs tenure and built on that while adding things of his own. Of course, having McCaw, DC, Nonu, Snake, Kev, Kaino, and all the rest of those great players helped. It remains to be seen if Fozzie was just a good soldier or if he can move things onward and upwards. I hope he can for all our sakes
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@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
Like our failure in 2007 it has to be a failure of the onfield leadership group, its not up to Richie to call his own number
I don't disagree that there needs to be some collective accountability. However, by the same token, if your 10 does not have the nous or courage to make the big call in that situation, and more importantly put himself in a position to be the match winner, you have to wonder whether he has the temperament for test footy.
I kind of agree. But over our history I don't recall many instances where our 10 slots a DG in that situation. Merhts is the only other who I can recall and he missed his chance
DC did it plenty of times
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@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
Like our failure in 2007 it has to be a failure of the onfield leadership group, its not up to Richie to call his own number
I don't disagree that there needs to be some collective accountability. However, by the same token, if your 10 does not have the nous or courage to make the big call in that situation, and more importantly put himself in a position to be the match winner, you have to wonder whether he has the temperament for test footy.
I kind of agree. But over our history I don't recall many instances where our 10 slots a DG in that situation. Merhts is the only other who I can recall and he missed his chance
DC did it plenty of times
Define plenty
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@Hooroo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I've calmed down a bit now, having had to go pay $430 to get my daughter's macbook fixed after she spilled water on it last week.
That whole process - forking out money to Apple
- was more enjoyable than watching Williams referee.And before you get going: I completed my field test with NSW Rugby and am an accredited ref so I come from a position of knowledge on this. So... yeah... suck my balls all of you armchair fucking refs
As an introductory note: how AFG missed that foot on the line will forever be a mystery. You make a living out of this Angus. The lines are nice and straight. Stick your fucking flag up. Does it make some kind of cosmic justice thing when Ioane refuses to mess up his hair while dropping the ball later? No. It does not.
Some refs - a lot of the French ones - just let players sort it out, mostly. Sometimes that can looks weird, but then they make a decision and you figure they're just keeping the threshold for intervention high i.e. they don't want to be the star attraction. Sometimes the decision made is a head scratcher but you sort of accept French people are weird and move on.
Williams tends to avoid decisions whenever he can - even when it is blindingly obvious that a decision needs to be made. In the first half Mounga gets rid of the ball and a full second later Wilson absolutely clatters him - right in front. Williams sort of puts his arm out and then does nothing. Just gets on with things. Multiple tackles from both teams go high - not dangerously so, but potential for escalation which should be ruled on early to set a marker - and he does nothing.
He rightly pings Tupou for being a shitwit at ruck time (twice
) because it is well past the back of the ruck when he finishes trying to piss off Aaron Smith (a noble pursuit). But I counted at least three times for each team where a cleanout happened from the side of the ruck and did zero.Penalises Koroibete for going off his feet when no AB was contesting the ball, then lets it go for another Wallaby player in the same situation and says nobody was contesting the ball
Of course, there are the big ones - the biggest of which is probably the two scrums later in the second half where Alalaatoa hands out a complete reaming to Karl T (who packed at an angle, pushed at an angle, and got folded into an angle on the ground), and tells the Wobs "you're not getting it", then does Sio for exactly the same thing at the next scrum. What were the fucking ARs doing while Alalaatoa was introducing Big Karl's forehead to the turf?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the referee review. It isn't easy - I know that from personal experience even at my gumby level of refereeing. But there are head scratchers and then there is out and out inconsistency that leads to incompetence.
EDIT: oh and the 2 short arms against Australia for going early at scrum time? Every fucking ref knows that the second one is a penalty you tit.
Oh no! A new amateur ref who suddenly thinks he knows it all. The worst kind of armchair commentator!
The patron saint of whom is Sir Brian Moore!
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@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
How would you expect the AB's to setup for a drop goal?
My expectation would be for them to try and drive around the fringes 4-5 times to suck in defenders while half back and kicker/kickers got into position. None of this was happening - blaming Mo'unga when the team were clearly not trying to get into position for a drop kick attempt would appear disingenious.
