Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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Go home rugby pass, you’re drunk, of all time?
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@Kiwiwomble It was a fantastic overtime period, except one side needed to win to truly make it epic, like with a drop goal or something
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Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
Nonu-lite (aka Laumape) could be the key here, he runs hard and straight, often getting over the gain-line and always taking a couple defenders to at least commit to him, this opens gaps for Ioane to boost through. The AB's did manage to put Ioane into a couple holes today for some good gained metres.
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Saw something on Facebook, the ABs haven’t won their last 5 games in Wellington?
Is this true?
If so, we need to stop playing there immediately.
Burn the stadium.
That yellow is an abomination to
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@westcoastie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Gunner said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Been thinking, Foster must be working on some genius midfield innovation to beat the rush defence.
Probably sounds a bit obvious and simple, nor am I sure how it’s supposed to exactly work or look, but he must be looking for Goodhue to bring the accuracy of how he plays at centre in a spot, and for Reiko to use his step and gas to get on the outside his rushing opposite?
Who bloody knows, I’m probably just clutching at straws.
Nonu-lite (aka Laumape) could be the key here, he runs hard and straight, often getting over the gain-line and always taking a couple defenders to at least commit to him, this opens gaps for Ioane to boost through. The AB's did manage to put Ioane into a couple holes today for some good gained metres.
Those gaps were pretty wide though. Take the play that lead to the try, it happened with Ioane out on the line (literally) and with Bridge infield.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Important to note that the next game isn't at Eden Park. It's at some joint called ASB stadium. Advantage wobblies
I believe it's going to be the "Hush Hush Bar Stadium", with ASB donating the naming to a deserving local business.
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It appears coaches think if a player is world class in their main position, they can easily transfer those skills to another position. But is it that easy? We always consider 2, 9, and 10 to be specialist but could you not argue that 1-15 are all specialist spots that take many many hours of game time to learn and master? Why do we think we can simply change a player at test level and expect it to work?
Experts in any field are experts because they don't think about why they do something; they just do it instinctively. How long does it take a player to become a specialist?
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
Certainly. His game and skills suit playing at
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
It appears coaches think if a player is world class in their main position, they can easily transfer those skills to another position. But is it that easy? We always consider 2, 9, and 10 to be specialist but could you not argue that 1-15 are all specialist spots that take many many hours of game time to learn and master? Why do we think we can simply change a player at test level and expect it to work?
Experts in any field are experts because they don't think about why they do something; they just do it instinctively. How long does it take a player to become a specialist?
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
I agree, shuffling players around is almost always detrimental to their development. We've seen it so many times before and there's little doubt it has hindered the likes of Jordie and DMac really finding their feet at test level.
Jordie has played plenty of 15 now and has come of age in that position. He either plays 15 or he doesn't start.
Same for Savea at 7. Same for Goodhue at 13.
I also think it's too soon for Rieko as a centre. He needs more time to learn the craft. We know he's electric on attack but that's only one aspect of playing centre. He has the potential to be world class in that position but it's going to take some time.
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@No-Quarter I couldn't agree more, the best 12 and 13 combos have had specialists in those positions that work well as a unit, Little Bunce, Nonu Smith, Horan Little. We seemed to have found a very good 13 in Goodhue who was solid on D and straight on attack. Yet we seem to have fuked him around with multiple partners and now moving him to 12.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
It appears coaches think if a player is world class in their main position, they can easily transfer those skills to another position. But is it that easy? We always consider 2, 9, and 10 to be specialist but could you not argue that 1-15 are all specialist spots that take many many hours of game time to learn and master? Why do we think we can simply change a player at test level and expect it to work?
Experts in any field are experts because they don't think about why they do something; they just do it instinctively. How long does it take a player to become a specialist?
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
I agree, shuffling players around is almost always detrimental to their development. We've seen it so many times before and there's little doubt it has hindered the likes of Jordie and DMac really finding their feet at test level.
Jordie has played plenty of 15 now and has come of age in that position. He either plays 15 or he doesn't start.
Same for Savea at 7. Same for Goodhue at 13.
I also think it's too soon for Rieko as a centre. He needs more time to learn the craft. We know he's electric on attack but that's only one aspect of playing centre. He has the potential to be world class in that position but it's going to take some time.
Rodders is one of my favourite ABs and when he made the 2002 EOYT and got one start (Wales?) I was stoked for him. But then he makes the starting side for the winter test against England and the test we prefer not to remember I thought okay he’s young, but for a starting AB no.8 he will need to get better and quickly or the pressure and noise on him and the AB coaches would be fever pitch.
Rodders played as a flanker for Wellington. He had excellent speed from being a quality 7s player and getting off the mark quickly.
He got some limited opportunities thereafter but it wasn’t until 05 BIL series that Henry had confidence that this is our guy and we will back him in for the long haul and the rest is history.
Some players have more conventional paths along their AB career, but others less so. I doubt Kahui ever thought he would be playing as a starting winger for an AB RWC campaign.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Crazy-Horse Aaron Smith does have a habit of trying to do too much, when his first role should be give the ball to the 10. He box-kicked heaps from our 22 when I would've preferred he give it to RM. Maybe Nugget is the issue?
Maybe Smith wasn’t liking RMs option taking?
Who knows, but for much of the game it looked like RM didn't get much of a chance to make decisions because we didn't have the damn ball.
And when we did he froze completely
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I guess the question is do you give the starting players an opportunity at
ASB StadiumEden Park or dump them? The problem with either approach is players may freeze worrying that a mistake may cost them selection for the next match.Personally I'd prefer the selection meeting focused on getting the best XV to start with by focusing on position rather than shoehorning the best XV players onto the field.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
It appears coaches think if a player is world class in their main position, they can easily transfer those skills to another position. But is it that easy? We always consider 2, 9, and 10 to be specialist but could you not argue that 1-15 are all specialist spots that take many many hours of game time to learn and master? Why do we think we can simply change a player at test level and expect it to work?
Experts in any field are experts because they don't think about why they do something; they just do it instinctively. How long does it take a player to become a specialist?
I wonder in the case of Savea, is he worse off for having to play all 3 positions instead of becoming an expert at 1?
I agree, shuffling players around is almost always detrimental to their development. We've seen it so many times before and there's little doubt it has hindered the likes of Jordie and DMac really finding their feet at test level.
Jordie has played plenty of 15 now and has come of age in that position. He either plays 15 or he doesn't start.
Same for Savea at 7. Same for Goodhue at 13.
I also think it's too soon for Rieko as a centre. He needs more time to learn the craft. We know he's electric on attack but that's only one aspect of playing centre. He has the potential to be world class in that position but it's going to take some time.
Rodders is one of my favourite ABs and when he made the 2002 EOYT and got one start (Wales?) I was stoked for him. But then he makes the starting side for the winter test against England and the test we prefer not to remember I thought okay he’s young, but for a starting AB no.8 he will need to get better and quickly or the pressure and noise on him and the AB coaches would be fever pitch.
Rodders played as a flanker for Wellington. He had excellent speed from being a quality 7s player and getting off the mark quickly.
He got some limited opportunities thereafter but it wasn’t until 05 BIL series that Henry had confidence that this is our guy and we will back him in for the long haul and the rest is history.
Some players have more conventional paths along their AB career, but others less so. I doubt Kahui ever thought he would be playing as a starting winger for an AB RWC campaign.
But they played Rodders at 8 consistently, and it did take him quite a while to find his feet in that position despite his talents. That kind of proves my point, you can't keep switching players positions around and expect them to excel, especially at test level.
Kahui was an OK winger and very much just a "safe"option for us then. The main reason he never settled in one position at test level was he was injured 99% of the time.
One player that immediately made it work was Mils. Picked on his form at 13 and ethen excelled at 15. But again he played basically nothing but 15 from then onwards.
