Crusaders 2020
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@nzzp Going overseas again might help Razor become a bit better AB coach - but, on the other hand it might not. Ideally, you want guys to be coaching the ABs at their peak - not spending their peak coaching some NH club (or even country).
I'm of the opinion that coaching the ABs is a fair bit different to most rugby coaching jobs, because you're going to win the majority of your games regardless - so learning about losing regularly isn't really a necessary skill.
What's needed is the ability to analyze and make the necessary tweaks to keep an elite team getting better - as well as retaining the players' confidence and managing some doubtless pretty big egos.
Interesting thing about Mitch is that it was his overseas experience that was a big part of his attraction.
JK is another who arrived back with a massive international resume, but had a pretty dismal tenure at the Blues.
And now Gats has had a bit of a shocker.
Frankly, I'd be happy with people who've proven themselves in Super rugby. I'd have been happy with Dave Rennie, without him needing to go overseas. I'd have been reasonably happy with Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown. I'd be happy with Razor - and Leon is working towards that status in my mind, though he needs another season or two of success with the Blues.
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to be fair, the overseas market is a bit restricted and an unknown at present, so the safer bet is probably to stay here.
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
Ideally, you want guys to be coaching the ABs at their peak - not spending their peak coaching some NH club (or even country).
Agree with most of what you say, but curious about this:
@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
ideally, you want guys to be coaching the ABs at their peak - not spending their peak coaching some NH club (or even country).
When is "peak"? More experience? More youthful innovation? Pretty hard to gauge I would have thought.
Had Hansen gone stale? Is Rennie already past it? Is Leon still learning? Robertson needs to prove more?At what age / experience level is a coach ideal?
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@Snowy Very difficult to gauge - and will be a bit different for different people.
But, when you've accumulated enough experience and wisdom - and before your energy and capacity to connect with the players has started to dissipate.
But, I reckon you could get a pretty firm consensus on most AB coaches of the past 30 years as to whether they got the job too early, too late - or timing was spot on.
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
@Snowy Very difficult to gauge - and will be a bit different for different people.
But, when you've accumulated enough experience and wisdom - and before your energy and capacity to connect with the players has started to dissipate.
But, I reckon you could get a pretty firm consensus on most AB coaches of the past 30 years as to whether they got the job too early, too late - or timing was spot on.
and extend that to the end. Was i fired just as i learned a valuable lesson? (most will probably say yes) Did i hang on 2 years too long?
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slight aside, but i am astounded why anyone really wants the ABs job. It probably doesn't pay that great comparable to other gigs. But the pressure is off the charts. You are expected to win every single test. You are expected to play "the right way". You are expected to do this while building depth across the park. You are expected to build depth while building combinations.
If you do even one of those things wrong, the public are in to you.
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@mariner4life A bit like being Prime Minister - or US President.
You'd just about have to be a bit mad to want it. Definitely different personality types to me.
Imagine having fluffybunnies with totally no idea coming up to you all the time, telling you where you've gone wrong and expounding their half-baked theories - while you're there thinking - "he's a fucking TIGHTHEAD prop, you twat!"
I guess you'd be able to get a bit of amusement lurking on rugby messageboards watching clueless pillocks expounding like they're the messiah!
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@Snowy said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
Ideally, you want guys to be coaching the ABs at their peak - not spending their peak coaching some NH club (or even country).
Agree with most of what you say, but curious about this:
@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
ideally, you want guys to be coaching the ABs at their peak - not spending their peak coaching some NH club (or even country).
When is "peak"? More experience? More youthful innovation? Pretty hard to gauge I would have thought.
Had Hansen gone stale? Is Rennie already past it? Is Leon still learning? Robertson needs to prove more?At what age / experience level is a coach ideal?
Hansen was down to leave at the end of the Lions, and should have. Foster could have had a crack at RWC, then we’d see from there. 2 years too long 100%
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@Machpants said in Crusaders 2020:
Hansen was down to leave at the end of the Lions, and should have.
Yes. Absolutely.
Old man shakes fist at McLeod.
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@Machpants That's one I think you'd get a pretty firm consensus on.
You've got to think he perhaps wasn't quite leaving no stone unturned the way they were in 2011 - and maybe he'd become a bit too attached to his old guard - and maybe a bit too powerful.
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
@Machpants That's one I think you'd get a pretty firm consensus on.
You've got to think he perhaps wasn't quite leaving no stone unturned the way they were in 2011 - and maybe he'd become a bit too attached to his old guard - and maybe a bit too powerful.
The All Blacks have become addicted to stability. It has already cost us, and will now cost us again
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Crusaders Injury Update - Oli Jager
Oli Jager was transferred to hospital following the game against the Highlanders.
He was subsequently cleared of a serious neck injury but did sustain a concussion and has a sore shoulder.
He will be reviewed by the Crusaders medical team over the next couple of days, and he is currently at home recovering.
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@Machpants said in Crusaders 2020:
They were probably docking with it
I just hope Havili doesn't wind up in hospital again
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wow. Many respect. Much pride.
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@Duluth I do wonder what they think rugby teams may do with the trophy after winning it. Pro tip: it's going to involve photos, beer and probably nudity. The trophy's probably going to be taken places it shouldn't ... some of the Ranfurly Shield stories are a bit out there too.
Frankly, relax, fix it and move on I say
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