Aussie Pro Rugby
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
Kyle Godwin and Jono Lance coming back to play for the Force.
I'd forgotten about Godwin. Handy player from memory. Lance is a journeyman but the kind of squaddie anyone would find useful.
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:
There is enough blame to go around but even if some of what O'Connor says is true it did sound like a dysfunctional squad.
when was the last time the Wallabies weren't dysfunctional?
or even
It’s amazing what they can do to colourise old historic black and white photos these days.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@Bovidae i hate those sort of articles
The whole thing reads like "it's Cheika's fault. And the players. But not mine, i knew what the issues were" so that his next job interview is easier
Yes.
But how much of it do you believe?
I'm picking 90-odd%
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:
There is enough blame to go around but even if some of what O'Connor says is true it did sound like a dysfunctional squad.
when was the last time the Wallabies weren't dysfunctional?
or even
If it's not on Facebook, it didn't happen - like the Wallabies holding the Bledisloe Cup...
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" incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie plans to stop the player drain, show some love and tinker with the Giteau Law to best harness the talent at his disposal"
Riiiiight letting more players play for the Wallabies and overseas 100% will stop more Ozzies players going overseas, stop the drain. It might make the wallas stronger short term, but long term? Oz depth puddle like as it is, without more players in Japan!
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
" incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie plans to stop the player drain, show some love and tinker with the Giteau Law to best harness the talent at his disposal"
Riiiiight letting more players play for the Wallabies and overseas 100% will stop more Ozzies players going overseas, stop the drain. It might make the wallas stronger short term, but long term? Oz depth puddle like as it is, without more players in Japan!
The solution I've seen in print media is to outsource by having them play in New Zealand. They also want All Blacks to play in their teams...
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
" incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie plans to stop the player drain, show some love and tinker with the Giteau Law to best harness the talent at his disposal"
Riiiiight letting more players play for the Wallabies and overseas 100% will stop more Ozzies players going overseas, stop the drain. It might make the wallas stronger short term, but long term? Oz depth puddle like as it is, without more players in Japan!
You might want to quote what he actually said.
"My preference is we lure players back to Australia or promote from within," he says. "My concern with [relaxing] the law is that it's a slippery slope. Players are financially better off over there and if they can still play for their country then what's to stop them going in droves." "You have to be able to compare apples with apples and playing in France is very different. We have no influence over how they’re training or what they’re doing. They pick a lot of big men and while they have some excellent clubs it's very different training-wise. There's not a lot of time on the grass or emphasis around skill set and conditioning. We have minimal influence over those players while they're away." "Who knows what the future holds around Super Rugby but the question could be, what if there were Japanese clubs involved in the competition and if some of our top players were in Japan?" -
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
" incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie plans to stop the player drain, show some love and tinker with the Giteau Law to best harness the talent at his disposal"
Riiiiight letting more players play for the Wallabies and overseas 100% will stop more Ozzies players going overseas, stop the drain. It might make the wallas stronger short term, but long term? Oz depth puddle like as it is, without more players in Japan!
Hmmm...I can't see anywhere in that quote he said he wants more overseas based Wallabies? Think you've made an assumption there based purely on the words "tinker with" haven't you?
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@Bones said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
" incoming Wallabies coach Dave Rennie plans to stop the player drain, show some love and tinker with the Giteau Law to best harness the talent at his disposal"
Riiiiight letting more players play for the Wallabies and overseas 100% will stop more Ozzies players going overseas, stop the drain. It might make the wallas stronger short term, but long term? Oz depth puddle like as it is, without more players in Japan!
Hmmm...I can't see anywhere in that quote he said he wants more overseas based Wallabies? Think you've made an assumption there based purely on the words "tinker with" haven't you?
"Who knows what the future holds around Super Rugby but the question could be, what if there were Japanese clubs involved in the competition and if some of our top players were in Japan"
Um? Right there, but yeah, headline doesn't really cover what he said "My preference is we lure players back to Australia or promote from within," he says. "My concern with [relaxing] the law is that it's a slippery slope. Players are financially better off over there and if they can still play for their country then what's to stop them going in droves"
My fault for looking at the headline, rolling my eyes, and posting it here. Apologies, carry on!
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
My fault for looking at the headline, rolling my eyes, and posting it here. Apologies, carry on!
That is why you got nominated for best new ferner. You're a natural.
Oh but do away with the apology thing.
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Paywall article (and yes it is the Daily Telegraph...) however this is the key stuff
Some of Australia’s top players are set to request early releases from their contracts after Rugby Australia made clear they would need to accept a pay cut of 40 per cent from October through to the end of the year. A call between RA and players’ union RUPA on Thursday made clear the governing body does not have a cent to spare, which means the players who had already accepted an average 60 per cent pay cut from May to September 30 will now have to swallow an additional 40 per cent cut from October 1 to December 31. Players had been united behind the idea of boycotting the Super Rugby AU tournament, starting July 3, on Wednesday, however it seems cooler heads have prevailed and they will take the field next weekend. However, the caveat will be that some stars ask RA to release them from their contracts on September 30 so they can take up more lucrative offers overseas. -
ahh how many viable overseas opportunities are available!? This could well work out ok for a small group but if players are leaving in bulk that could scupper the local comp and saturate an international market that is dying off currently.
oops poor choice of words there!
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@Paekakboyz yeah lucrative compared to a -40% Ozzie SR contract, I reckon that's entry level for Premiership, France and low as for Japan!
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@Machpants I'm not that up on the play about ARU pay scales, but presumably some of the lower contracted guys might be getting close to the living wage once the double % cut is applied! I get that some (many?) of these guys might have significant $$ commitments, especially if they have a big mortgage or something.
But I guess there is no expectation that ARU will reciprocate in the future if/when things improve from a cashflow perspective. I mean I didn't read the article lol
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@Paekakboyz I think that the 60%, and probably the 40% will be, is on a slding scale. Those at the top take a higher percentage, the bottom much less - it averages at 60%. Then again I see that Hooper got stupid millions for a multi year contract, so maybe Oz pays it's SR players better than NZ?
