Hurricanes v Crusaders
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
To be fair, Havili is a very good back-up in that role
He had one half of good rugby at 10. The second half he played like he had something shoved up his arse
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@KiwiMurph said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Crusaders would rather play with one first-five than have Cameron on the bench. It says a lot.
Crusaders' chances of winning this competition rest on Mo'unga staying fit.
Havili might be OK as a stop-gap, but the game we lost to the Chiefs pre-lock down was when he was playing 10.
Last year I'm pretty sure we lost to the tahs with Cameron at 10.
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Stats don't tell the full story, but Evans made six tackles (same as Gibson who was injured early after 30mins), and he missed one of those and conceded a turnover. Also conceded two penalties.
But his attack stats were even worse, six runs for three metres made. No passes. No lineout takes.
Was he taking a nap out there? Fuck all effect for 72 minutes.
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@Duluth No doubt, fullback is David Havili's best position - he's one of the best in the country - and he's quite a decent second-five as well, but he was excellent at 10 in the first half (creating several try-scoring opportunities, two resulting in tries) and steering the ship well. They didn't lose the game in the second half because he was playing at 10, although his level indeed dropped in the 2nd half. To quote Ian Foster about that 2nd half: "Havili's biggest problem was not having Havili at fullback."
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
I think they'd be worried about removing all the senior players at once. When Coles was asked about who the leaders were last week he said himself, Evans and Prinsep. Maybe if/when the season is dead they'll take that risk.
This week I thought it'd be a selection shoot out between Evans and Prinsep. Evans losses that on formHes likely mentioned the appointed forward leaders.
And Ardie is back this week. Kirifi is the Wellington captain too.
And are you basing Prinsep is better than Evans on just one game. Where neither were great. The diff is this is the usual std for Prinsep. -
@Nepia said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@canefan said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger there seems to be no media scrutiny on the Canes in Wellington atm, infact I'd be surprised if a crowd turned up at all considering there has been next to no hype or talk about the game on Sunday. Maybe it's just because deep down everyone knows the no-name coach is clueless and we just don't have the calibre of players to get the job done this year.
Plumtree leaving at short notice was always going to be tough. A few questionable selections and here we are
TBF, they're 100% Plumtree selections.
Plumtree preferred Fifita at 6 until he was injured. Agree Blackwell is a Plumtree selection. Its why I was pleased to see him go (anyone who selects a limited (in all respects) 1.90 lock shouldn't be a head coach) but here we are. At least Plumtree could get the best out of limited players
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@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
And are you basing Prinsep is better than Evans on just one game.
No, not at all. I even mentioned you could select Evans on historical grounds. Evans was poor last week.. maybe he really enjoyed the break? I don't think the Canes can have the luxury of ignoring that sort of form
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@Duluth said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
And are you basing Prinsep is better than Evans on just one game.
No, not at all. I even mentioned you could select Evans on historical grounds. Evans was poor last week.. maybe he really enjoyed the break? I don't think the Canes haver the luxury of ignoring that sort of form
The Evans shouldn't be in the team full-stop. But there are other options. Like Flanders. And IWL (assume hes not injured). Two young players that could do with game experience (Canes won't win it so why not develop young players)
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@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
The Evans shouldn't be in the team full-stop. But there are other options. Like Flanders. And IWL (assume hes not injured). Two young players that could do with game experience (Canes won't win it so why not develop young players)
I think thats a better argument
If things don't turn around quickly they probably have no choice
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Crusaders are usually slow starters.
Just trying to keep the thread interesting....
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@ACT-Crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Crusaders are usually slow starters.
Just trying to keep the thread interesting....
How many Hurricanes would you pick in a combined team?
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@Bones said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@ACT-Crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Crusaders are usually slow starters.
Just trying to keep the thread interesting....
How many Hurricanes would you pick in a combined team?
TJ, Ardie, and Aumua on the bench.
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@Machpants said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@ACT-Crusader said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Crusaders are usually slow starters.
Just trying to keep the thread interesting....
How many Hurricanes would you pick in a combined team?
TJ, Ardie, and Aumua on the bench.
I wasn't really serious as it was ACT but hey, where's Lomax? Ingrate.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Winger delete Canes, replace with Blues, it's pretty familiar
Welcome to our world of the last few years. It sucks. No-one has a monopoly on competence, we should expect every franchise to be well run and effective (noting you won't always win)Thank God the Blues have finally sorted things out. It seems to have happened after Board and management changes. And that's where it needs to start with the Canes.
Otherwise we will be lucky to hold onto Jordie. Or a great first 5.
You guys have been the production line of 10s.
Cruden
Barrett
Black
SopoagaRemarkable-and none are playing for you! Crazy times
Falcon
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
Hurricanes
1 Fraser Armstrong
2 Dane Coles [cc]
3 Tyrel Lomax
4 James Blackwell
5 Vaea Fifita
6 Reed Prinsep
7 Du’Plessis Kirifi
8 Ardie Savea
9 TJ Perenara [cc]
10 Jackson Garden-Bachop
11 Ben Lam
12 Ngani Laumape
13 Vince Aso
14 Wes Goosen
15 Chase TiatiaREPLACEMENTS:
16 Asafo Aumua
17 Ben May
18 Alex Fidow
19 Scott Scrafton
20 Gareth Evans
21 Jamie Booth
22 Billy Proctor
23 Kobus Van WykFuck. Going to pick any forwards? Lightweight.
Is there s published injury list? IWL? Flanders?
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Crusaders:
@Duluth yes he was, Prinsep got smoked every time he ran it forward.
The coaches seem happy with plodder forwards but it won't win us games.
Looks to me he hasn't gone for plodders he's gone for mobility. Not sure you want to sacrifice a strong forward pack against the Evil Empire. Basically conceded the forward battle to contest it wider.
