RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I really think that you need to give England and particularly Eddie a bit more kudos. Edie's game plan was spot on and England performed it very well. A little churlish to just focus on where the ABs fell down.
Yeah, it's a fair cop. They played well, and EJ is a good coach. That said, it's really frustrating to see a team just not execute, and still get close to burgling a win.
@Machpants nailed it too; a few of us talked about the challenge of playing well two weeks in a row, particularly after a big win. England found that in the final too, just didn't show up
I'll continue the churlish theme.
SA outplayed and outhought England.
And so shall I.
The biggest problem for England was they'd already played a really hard game whereas SA...
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I really think that you need to give England and particularly Eddie a bit more kudos. Edie's game plan was spot on and England performed it very well. A little churlish to just focus on where the ABs fell down.
Yeah, it's a fair cop. They played well, and EJ is a good coach. That said, it's really frustrating to see a team just not execute, and still get close to burgling a win.
@Machpants nailed it too; a few of us talked about the challenge of playing well two weeks in a row, particularly after a big win. England found that in the final too, just didn't show up
I'll continue the churlish theme.
SA outplayed and outhought England.
And so shall I.
The biggest problem for England was they'd already played a really hard game whereas SA...
realised they had work to do to lift the Cup.
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I really think that you need to give England and particularly Eddie a bit more kudos. Edie's game plan was spot on and England performed it very well. A little churlish to just focus on where the ABs fell down.
Yeah, it's a fair cop. They played well, and EJ is a good coach. That said, it's really frustrating to see a team just not execute, and still get close to burgling a win.
@Machpants nailed it too; a few of us talked about the challenge of playing well two weeks in a row, particularly after a big win. England found that in the final too, just didn't show up
I'll continue the churlish theme.
SA outplayed and outhought England.
And so shall I.
The biggest problem for England was they'd already played a really hard game whereas SA...
What must be Gaulling is that had Wales scraped through the semi (which might have been possibility had they played some rugby before the last 15) their depleted team would have been ripped apart by the English.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I really think that you need to give England and particularly Eddie a bit more kudos. Edie's game plan was spot on and England performed it very well. A little churlish to just focus on where the ABs fell down.
Yeah, it's a fair cop. They played well, and EJ is a good coach. That said, it's really frustrating to see a team just not execute, and still get close to burgling a win.
@Machpants nailed it too; a few of us talked about the challenge of playing well two weeks in a row, particularly after a big win. England found that in the final too, just didn't show up
I'll continue the churlish theme.
SA outplayed and outhought England.
And so shall I.
The biggest problem for England was they'd already played a really hard game whereas SA...
realised they had work to do to lift the Cup.
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
That constitutes a nibble on the rancid bait I left for you.
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@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I really think that you need to give England and particularly Eddie a bit more kudos. Edie's game plan was spot on and England performed it very well. A little churlish to just focus on where the ABs fell down.
Yeah, it's a fair cop. They played well, and EJ is a good coach. That said, it's really frustrating to see a team just not execute, and still get close to burgling a win.
@Machpants nailed it too; a few of us talked about the challenge of playing well two weeks in a row, particularly after a big win. England found that in the final too, just didn't show up
I'll continue the churlish theme.
SA outplayed and outhought England.
And so shall I.
The biggest problem for England was they'd already played a really hard game whereas SA...
What must be Gaulling is that had Wales scraped through the semi (which might have been possibility had they played some rugby before the last 15) their depleted team would have been ripped apart by the English.
I don't think it reached quite as far as Wales actually.
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@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
Small margins right? Both teams trained hard, we wanted it too. But England had a good plan and they executed it very well. We made questionable tactical choices and selections, but at the end of the day we failed to execute when we needed to. And even after all of that the margin wasn't insurmountable
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@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
Small margins right? Both teams trained hard, we wanted it too. But England had a good plan and they executed it very well. We made questionable tactical choices and selections, but at the end of the day we failed to execute when we needed to. And even after all of that the margin wasn't insurmountable
Well, technically, it was
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
Small margins right? Both teams trained hard, we wanted it too. But England had a good plan and they executed it very well. We made questionable tactical choices and selections, but at the end of the day we failed to execute when we needed to. And even after all of that the margin wasn't insurmountable
Well, technically, it was
Touche mate. Touche
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@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
Small margins right? Both teams trained hard, we wanted it too. But England had a good plan and they executed it very well. We made questionable tactical choices and selections, but at the end of the day we failed to execute when we needed to. And even after all of that the margin wasn't insurmountable
Well, technically, it was
Touche mate. Touche
Yeah apologies. I seem to be on a fishing expedition today.
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
Small margins right? Both teams trained hard, we wanted it too. But England had a good plan and they executed it very well. We made questionable tactical choices and selections, but at the end of the day we failed to execute when we needed to. And even after all of that the margin wasn't insurmountable
Well, technically, it was
Touche mate. Touche
Yeah apologies. I seem to be on a fishing expedition today.
I was there mate. I shook lots of English hands that night. Got to be gracious in defeat when you get beat fair and square
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@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattering ) reflection.
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@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
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@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
England played their grand final against us. We played ours against Ireland.
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@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
England played their grand final against us. We played ours against Ireland.
Definitely not. We just beat a pretty shitty Ireland (i.e. played how we usually play).
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@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
England played their grand final against us. We played ours against Ireland.
Definitely not. We just beat a pretty shitty Ireland (i.e. played how we usually play).
Would you say our accuracy was better or worse in the semi final?
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@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
England played their grand final against us. We played ours against Ireland.
Definitely not. We just beat a pretty shitty Ireland (i.e. played how we usually play).
Would you say our accuracy was better or worse in the semi final?
Better.
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@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
England played their grand final against us. We played ours against Ireland.
We played well vs Ireland but couldn't overcome the drop off in performance like we did in the 2015 semi final vs SA
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@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@antipodean said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
They spent the week working hard on their game; analysing their opponent; and not taking anything for granted based on results up to that point.
The exact opposite of Japan 07
Also, it's facile to claim the English or NZ didn't either. They do - but it's human nature to relax a bit after a big effort; climbing the mountain again so soon is damn hard. It's not one performance that defines you, it's week in, week out effort. McCaw seemed to be the master at this from the outside, just never let down his standards.
Also, the NZ Eng game - we got thrashed by 7 points. Just didn't ever grab our half chances at any stage, and were behind physically. If you do that, you're scuppered
I'm the biggest fanboi for NZ ever. But by crikey 7 points was flattering. 20 points would have been a more accurate (but probably still flattetimg) reflection.
We were soundly beaten, no doubt. Even our try after half time was against the run of play
England played their grand final against us. We played ours against Ireland.
We played well vs Ireland but couldn't overcome the drop off in performance like we did in the 2015 semi final vs SA
We were able to play a tweaked game plan against an Irish team which were not at home in the (above zero) conditions.
Poms were comfortable in conditions and had worked out excellent counters to our Plan A and caught us napping at start to snare 7 quick points.
I felt we were fairly rattled. But that pass from BBBR goes to hand and at 7 all the momentum's all with us.
And in second half we had our chances and fluffed them.
If anything the problem was AB team believed its own PR rather than expecting to have to grind things out.
