England v Wales
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@mariner4life said in England v Wales:
the sentence is right, maybe a little light.
but 3 weeks for a smack to the face, and 10 weeks for Marler is a fucking outrage.
Nothing for Lawes is shit too
Nothing to do with comparisons of those actual actions though. More to do with comparisons of the sentence start points (which were there beforehand). Once RC threshold has past then that's the rub.
WR have decided that unwanted genital contact is worse than assault, which is in line with societal rules as well.
I don't disagree that I might rather be touched on the junk than punched in the face but then you start getting into degrees of touching arguments. Easier to say don't go there at all. -
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@mariner4life said in England v Wales:
the sentence is right, maybe a little light.
but 3 weeks for a smack to the face, and 10 weeks for Marler is a fucking outrage.
Nothing for Lawes is shit too
Nothing to do with comparisons of those actual actions though. More to do with comparisons of the sentence start points (which were there beforehand). Once RC threshold has past then that's the rub.
WR have decided that unwanted genital contact is worse than assault, which is in line with societal rules as well.
I don't disagree that I might rather be touched on the junk than punched in the face but then you start getting into degrees of touching arguments. Easier to say don't go there at all.What would have been very interesting - and a normal, reflex action from this poster (and why I'm an amateur spectator not a professional player) - is what if AWJ had floored Marler?
What would have unfolded there? Pandora you have the floor.
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@MiketheSnow That would have been 2 reds, cos the TMO would have at least looked then. But maybe that was a rhetorical question
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@Machpants said in England v Wales:
@MiketheSnow That would have been 2 reds, cos the TMO would have at least looked then. But maybe that was a rhetorical question
Not at all.
I'm sure the ref and TMO wouldn't have needed to officiate on a Marler incident before.
And if they'd both been given reds would the post-match hearing have resulted in AWJ getting his red card waived?
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@MiketheSnow said in England v Wales:
@Machpants said in England v Wales:
@MiketheSnow That would have been 2 reds, cos the TMO would have at least looked then. But maybe that was a rhetorical question
Not at all.
I'm sure the ref and TMO wouldn't have needed to officiate on a Marler incident before.
And if they'd both been given reds would the post-match hearing have resulted in AWJ getting his red card waived?
No because retaliation is specifically not OK. You're supposed to take it and let the ref deal with it. He probably would have got a much shorter ban than Marler, if you get 3 weeks like the French prop he might well have got 0 and the red would be enough.
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@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Machpants is there another AWJ reaction than the post match presser?
The look on his face when it happened?
You mean the slightly bemused look that almost looks a bit like a grin?
People keep going on about AWJs reaction and comments apparently slamming Marler. If that's just off the post match presser I didn't hear anything of the sort. All he said was they need to look at the incident.
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Excellent sanction - sends totally the right message.
No doubt, that a bit of boys dicking is much much more worthy of being dealt a hard suspension that straight hits to the head from the shoulder and punches to the face.
At the moment my thoughts are with AWJ testicle. I hope it recovers.
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Comparing this incident with a punch to the head makes no sense. Why can't it be a stand alone offence?
We don't compare tax fraud jail time with murder jail time. Both are illegal acts dealt with in their own sentencing guidelines.
Should we compare steroid use or match fixing offences to a shoulder charge to get the right penalty?
It's simply a clear message from the authorities about which behaviours are acceptable or not, no different to tackling in the air - if you do it we will punish you. The message is clear
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@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Machpants is there another AWJ reaction than the post match presser?
The look on his face when it happened?
You mean the slightly bemused look that almost looks a bit like a grin?
People keep going on about AWJs reaction and comments apparently slamming Marler. If that's just off the post match presser I didn't hear anything of the sort. All he said was they need to look at the incident.
“I have won 138 Tests for my country, but if I react I get a red card so it’s tough. Hopefully World Rugby have a look at it.
He's talking about punching Marler as primary response to the incident in a press conference straight after the game before untold video analysis that people could reference .
Safe to say he wasn't saying "it's all good"
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@Siam said in England v Wales:
Comparing this incident with a punch to the head makes no sense. Why can't it be a stand alone offence?
We don't compare tax fraud jail time with murder jail time. Both are illegal acts dealt with in their own sentencing guidelines.
Should we compare steroid use or match fixing offences to a shoulder charge to get the right penalty?
It's simply a clear message from the authorities about which behaviours are acceptable or not, no different to tackling in the air - if you do it we will punish you. The message is clear
The message in World Rugby is very rarely clear and the outcome is, to many people often disproportionate. I'm not just talking about the Marler incident, you can pick apart so many decisions. Tell me which is more a blight on rugby and is more dangerous, a no arms tackle with a shoulder to the head or a nut tickle.
Here's the answer: In that game there were several incidences of no arm, shoulder first, high tackles - as there are in many games and they were not dealt with as harshly as the nut tickle. Furthermore, i can't think in recent times where such an action as Marler's has been highlighted.
I'm not defending the bloke or his action but in all honesty, which is worse and which is more prevalent?
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@Catogrande agree with all that mate. My rugby reasoning has also been withered down by an authoritarian WR administration, to the point where I argue obediently for blind conformity to their hypocrisy, inconsistency and disproportionate sentences. Looking for rationality in their decisions results in the resignation of "that must be just the way it is", and a shrug of the shoulders. ( group play "high tackle" adjudications in the RWC were the straws that broke the camel's back for me)
A one week suspension would have provided an adequate message that squirrel grips are a no no.
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@Siam said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Machpants is there another AWJ reaction than the post match presser?
The look on his face when it happened?
You mean the slightly bemused look that almost looks a bit like a grin?
People keep going on about AWJs reaction and comments apparently slamming Marler. If that's just off the post match presser I didn't hear anything of the sort. All he said was they need to look at the incident.
“I have won 138 Tests for my country, but if I react I get a red card so it’s tough. Hopefully World Rugby have a look at it.
He's talking about punching Marler as primary response to the incident in a press conference straight after the game before untold video analysis that people could reference .
Safe to say he wasn't saying "it's all good"
Yeah good one. He's really served it up there hasn't he? The absolute disgust is there for all to see. And the anger! Woah boy. He really didn't hold back.
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@Bones 🙂
I know it's a storm in a tea cup mate, but the fact is he mentioned the possibility of himself getting a red card. That shapes his response that he wasn't particularly fine with Marler.I think it's safe to say Alun didn't like it
I think it's odds on that he doesn't like the 10 week punishment either
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@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Siam said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Machpants is there another AWJ reaction than the post match presser?
The look on his face when it happened?
You mean the slightly bemused look that almost looks a bit like a grin?
People keep going on about AWJs reaction and comments apparently slamming Marler. If that's just off the post match presser I didn't hear anything of the sort. All he said was they need to look at the incident.
“I have won 138 Tests for my country, but if I react I get a red card so it’s tough. Hopefully World Rugby have a look at it.
He's talking about punching Marler as primary response to the incident in a press conference straight after the game before untold video analysis that people could reference .
Safe to say he wasn't saying "it's all good"
Yeah good one. He's really served it up there hasn't he? The absolute disgust is there for all to see. And the anger! Woah boy. He really didn't hold back.
This is the type of debating and point making that annoys the shit out of me in the politics thread.
Peoples views and rebutted by aligning them with positions far more extreme than those originally put forward.
AWJ doesn't have to 'serve it up' to show that he wasn't OK with what happened.
Even in this day and age people can make rational responses and despite what we keep getting told you don't have to be part of the extreme to hold a view. -
