England v Wales
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@sparky said in England v Wales:
Tuilagi given four weeks. Red Card upheld.
Lawes free to play.
Both Marler and Tuilagi should have ignored Eddie.
Both felt it was a non-red card offence.
Dumbasses
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@Hooroo said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Hooroo I still don’t get your point.
So far the list of justification includes Vinnie Jones (psycho), Gazza (drunk),Willie Mason and Piers Morgan (certifiable dickheads).I just don’t get the outrage and big deal being made of it.
I guess I’m not that insecure that I would fall to pieces if someone did that to me in a rugby game.
So, the laws and interpretations apply to all rugby. Howabout if some fat 40+ prop did something similar to your teen son or daughter in a club seconds game? Cos it is either OK and funny banter, or pretty much sexual assault. AWJ did not see it as mate's banter, and neither do I. But what really annoys me as he is 100% trying to get AWJ to react, and get in trouble.
10 weeks is about right.
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Hooroo said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Hooroo I still don’t get your point.
So far the list of justification includes Vinnie Jones (psycho), Gazza (drunk),Willie Mason and Piers Morgan (certifiable dickheads).I just don’t get the outrage and big deal being made of it.
I guess I’m not that insecure that I would fall to pieces if someone did that to me in a rugby game.
The outrage and big deal isn’t being made on here.
There are certainly some of us that don’t want it seen as an acceptable part of the game though.
Nothing to do with insecurities either.Video during rounds on social media of Joe Marler's hand all over AWJ's privates. Disgusting.
Not going to post the video. There might be kids on this forum. It is definitely NSFW.
Sexual assualt missed too
He could possibly also face a criminal charge for sexual assault?
It was a really fucking weird thing to do too. Like the boxer who bit the other guy's ear or the League player who stuck his fingers up the opponents' bums.
I hope World Rugby punish Marler and his team severely:
IMHO Marler should get a 6 months ban and made to have counselling before he can go on a Rugby field again. England should forfeit the match and be docked 12 points.
It's a sexual assault. Rugby won't be regarded as a credible sport for long if it allows grown men to grope other men without consent.
Think there's a big difference between a dangerous tackle or throwing a punch in the heat of the moment and thinking it a good idea to go over and start fondling another players genitals in full view.
the whole Marler thing creeps me out big time. Throw the book at him and get this nonsense out of rugby
If you are going to go through the thread for quotes you could also read the thread and put things into context.
My “outrage and big deal” quote was made after many posters on this thread had discussed the topic and views had mellowed a bit from the initial reactions. My own posts changed in tone as well after reading others. Generally speaking this thread was not calling for blood, it actually ended up in a pretty sane place.
If you are going to call out inaccuracies, maybe you should look at your own posts ? Without looking back for the quote I am pretty sure that you argued that Marlers action was merely a little tap. It is plain to see that he grabbed with his fingers and even looks like he gives things a little shake.
I d say that things ended up were they should. Those rules are there for a reason, and that is that most players would find this unacceptable (plenty would retaliate). Marler broke those rules and was punished accordingly.
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@Machpants is there another AWJ reaction than the post match presser?
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@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Machpants is there another AWJ reaction than the post match presser?
The look on his face when it happened?
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@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Hooroo said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@Hooroo I still don’t get your point.
So far the list of justification includes Vinnie Jones (psycho), Gazza (drunk),Willie Mason and Piers Morgan (certifiable dickheads).I just don’t get the outrage and big deal being made of it.
I guess I’m not that insecure that I would fall to pieces if someone did that to me in a rugby game.
The outrage and big deal isn’t being made on here.
There are certainly some of us that don’t want it seen as an acceptable part of the game though.
Nothing to do with insecurities either.Video during rounds on social media of Joe Marler's hand all over AWJ's privates. Disgusting.
Not going to post the video. There might be kids on this forum. It is definitely NSFW.
Sexual assualt missed too
He could possibly also face a criminal charge for sexual assault?
It was a really fucking weird thing to do too. Like the boxer who bit the other guy's ear or the League player who stuck his fingers up the opponents' bums.
I hope World Rugby punish Marler and his team severely:
IMHO Marler should get a 6 months ban and made to have counselling before he can go on a Rugby field again. England should forfeit the match and be docked 12 points.
It's a sexual assault. Rugby won't be regarded as a credible sport for long if it allows grown men to grope other men without consent.
Think there's a big difference between a dangerous tackle or throwing a punch in the heat of the moment and thinking it a good idea to go over and start fondling another players genitals in full view.
the whole Marler thing creeps me out big time. Throw the book at him and get this nonsense out of rugby
If you are going to go through the thread for quotes you could also read the thread and put things into context.
My “outrage and big deal” quote was made after many posters on this thread had discussed the topic and views had mellowed a bit from the initial reactions. My own posts changed in tone as well after reading others. Generally speaking this thread was not calling for blood, it actually ended up in a pretty sane place.
If you are going to call out inaccuracies, maybe you should look at your own posts ? Without looking back for the quote I am pretty sure that you argued that Marlers action was merely a little tap. It is plain to see that he grabbed with his fingers and even looks like he gives things a little shake.
I d say that things ended up were they should. Those rules are there for a reason, and that is that most players would find this unacceptable (plenty would retaliate). Marler broke those rules and was punished accordingly.
Good point made above that these rules apply across all grades.Mate, I was responding to your quote "The outrage and big deal isn’t being made on here.", which was a direct statement, made without looking at each particular thing in context, certainly not in reply to @Hooroo post. Yes people's views may have mellowed but I wasn't calling out their views, just your statement in reply to Hooroo.
However, as it happens I did look through pretty much the whole thread from the point the Marler story appeared, including my own posts and although I didn't say "only" I would stand by view that it was a "cock tickle" or "a flick on the todger" I do not see that to was a grab and a little shake and to be honest by the wtf look on Jones' face it would seem that there wasn't any actual physical discomfort.
You might also want to quote me saying it was stupid, a dick move, invasive and by all means cite him and even sanction him.
Context.
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Aaaand, the French prop gets three weeks for a punch to the jaw.
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Aaaand, the French prop gets three weeks for a punch to the jaw.
Nothing unusual there. Even Marler got a reduction based on 'remorse' and 'good character' yet had an increase based on previous record. Good character but a recidivist? Go figure.
The rugby judiciary works in very odd ways but the baseline punishments are well known before you commit the 'crime' -
"Due to mitigating factors including “good character” and “remorse”, three weeks were knocked off the ban but an extra week was added because of his poor disciplinary record. " How can you have good character when you have poor disciplinary record? What a farce the system is EDIT I sound like Yoda: *The system is farcical
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@Machpants Because. Judiciary. Do not look for logic in the outcome.
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Aaaand, the French prop gets three weeks for a punch to the jaw.
WHAT!!!!
I am filled with dismay. The world is fucked. Perhaps this virus is for the best
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@mariner4life said in England v Wales:
@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Aaaand, the French prop gets three weeks for a punch to the jaw.
WHAT!!!!
I am filled with dismay. The world is fucked. Perhaps this virus is for the best
On which basis? The sentence is too light or too heavy?
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the sentence is right, maybe a little light.
but 3 weeks for a smack to the face, and 10 weeks for Marler is a fucking outrage.
Nothing for Lawes is shit too
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Aaaand, the French prop gets three weeks for a punch to the jaw.
He got leniency because the Scot was so slow.
They were both cocked ready to go, but the French guy was too quick.
Panel obviously saw it was a mutual throwdown and couldn't penslise the French prop for being faster than his number.
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@mariner4life said in England v Wales:
the sentence is right, maybe a little light.
but 3 weeks for a smack to the face, and 10 weeks for Marler is a fucking outrage.
Nothing for Lawes is shit too
Nothing to do with comparisons of those actual actions though. More to do with comparisons of the sentence start points (which were there beforehand). Once RC threshold has past then that's the rub.
WR have decided that unwanted genital contact is worse than assault, which is in line with societal rules as well.
I don't disagree that I might rather be touched on the junk than punched in the face but then you start getting into degrees of touching arguments. Easier to say don't go there at all. -
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
@mariner4life said in England v Wales:
the sentence is right, maybe a little light.
but 3 weeks for a smack to the face, and 10 weeks for Marler is a fucking outrage.
Nothing for Lawes is shit too
Nothing to do with comparisons of those actual actions though. More to do with comparisons of the sentence start points (which were there beforehand). Once RC threshold has past then that's the rub.
WR have decided that unwanted genital contact is worse than assault, which is in line with societal rules as well.
I don't disagree that I might rather be touched on the junk than punched in the face but then you start getting into degrees of touching arguments. Easier to say don't go there at all.What would have been very interesting - and a normal, reflex action from this poster (and why I'm an amateur spectator not a professional player) - is what if AWJ had floored Marler?
What would have unfolded there? Pandora you have the floor.
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@MiketheSnow That would have been 2 reds, cos the TMO would have at least looked then. But maybe that was a rhetorical question
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@Machpants said in England v Wales:
@MiketheSnow That would have been 2 reds, cos the TMO would have at least looked then. But maybe that was a rhetorical question
Not at all.
I'm sure the ref and TMO wouldn't have needed to officiate on a Marler incident before.
And if they'd both been given reds would the post-match hearing have resulted in AWJ getting his red card waived?
