All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@junior said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@gt12 said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Chris-B said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby Thing about the Lions, was that it was a series that we could easily have won 3-0 - but for a couple of moments of indiscipline, plenty of injuries and the weird penalty at the end.
There were plenty of obvious reasons/excuses for the various defeats we suffered over the last couple of years, but it was obvious to everyone that we were going to need some luck or some genius coaching to get across the line at RWC2019 - the team simply wasn't close to as good as the 2015 version.
Agreed, but equally we could just as easily lost that series 2-1 thanks to selection, strategy, replacements, and tactics - all of which the coaching team should wear. I can’t really fault Hansen from 2012-2015 - it’s the best AB team we’ve ever had.
However, the post McCaw/Carter (Nonu/Smith/Kaino) rebuild has just not been that successful - we didn’t get the right people in the right places with enough experience early enough to be really there at the WC - as a result some pieces were able to be pretty easily exploited (I’m thinking Mo’unga’s defense here, for example). Also, apart from Cane, who incredibly wasn’t playing in that semi, none of those positions above were occupied by a dyed-on definite starter by the WC. That’s coaching and selection.
Sorry, in what world do we lose that series 2-1 because of coaching? What did the coaching unit do wrong in the 2nd and 3rd test that really cost us those matches...?
Taking Aaron Smith off
Well that’s a gripe that applies to almost every test in the last 4 years
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@Godder said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
I think we're griping about the process because Foster got appointed. If Joseph, Rennie and Gatland had stuck through to the interview and one of them got selected, we'd be lauding NZR to the heavens.
Maybe. If so may hadn’t dropped out or had even applied in the first place it would feel less like it was already decided.
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@Godder said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
I think we're griping about the process because Foster got appointed. If Joseph, Rennie and Gatland had stuck through to the interview and one of them got selected, we'd be lauding NZR to the heavens.
Agreed. Rennie and Joseph went for the sure thing. Gatland is already committed with the B&IL.
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@Godder said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
I think we're griping about the process because Foster got appointed. If Joseph, Rennie and Gatland had stuck through to the interview and one of them got selected, we'd be lauding NZR to the heavens.
So why are the new CEO Robinson and panelist Henry also criticising the process?
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I cannot see how the process could have been greatly different to how this played out, particularly in a RWC year.
Sure people thought it was a done deal, but by not even applying, Rennie and JJ left it down to 2: once it was Fozzie and his rumoured team vs Razor and his rumoured team, IMO there was only one choice at this point in time.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Godder said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
I think we're griping about the process because Foster got appointed. If Joseph, Rennie and Gatland had stuck through to the interview and one of them got selected, we'd be lauding NZR to the heavens.
So why are the new CEO Robinson and panelist Henry also criticising the process?
Because nobody outside NZ applied so it was obviously a bad process?
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Honestly, I think the problem is that we have to have an application process, rather than an appointment process.
I doubt that the public would be happy with the fish heads deciding who should be the coach, and them chasing that person (and their assistants).
Without that sort of procedure in place however, we may not get the applicants we want.
Personally I think that is the way to go - but that puts the CEO and board under pressure to get the right people, and then they should pay if it goes tits up.
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@gt12 said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Personally I think that is the way to go - but that puts the CEO and board under pressure to get the right people, and then they should pay if it goes tits up.
100%. At the Blues, extending Lam's contract for 2 years, then sacking him after one should (in my simple mind) lead to some real consequences for the Board that appointed him.
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@Godder said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Godder said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
I think we're griping about the process because Foster got appointed. If Joseph, Rennie and Gatland had stuck through to the interview and one of them got selected, we'd be lauding NZR to the heavens.
So why are the new CEO Robinson and panelist Henry also criticising the process?
Because nobody outside NZ applied so it was obviously a bad process?
People weren’t applying because they heard it was a done deal. So the process was perceived to be a sham.
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Can’t remember a more uninspiring appointment. If there is not a winning start, watch out. The saving grace might be the assistant coaches. Really think the ABs needed a fresh start not a continuation regime.
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Whats the view here on what the NZRU is doing with Brad Mooar. They seem to be very keen to get him and to want him to break his contract. After letting him go from NZ rugby.
But surely from his viewpoint 2 more years at the Scarlets as head coach would look a lot better on his CV. Esp if he sees his future as a head coach maybe for an international side.
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@Winger said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Whats the view here on what the NZRU is doing with Brad Mooar. They seem to be very keen to get him and to want him to break his contract. After letting him go from NZ rugby.
No issue with it. Ultimately these things are guided by whatever Mooar wants. If his preference is to come back to NZ then there is no point Scarlets blocking it and continuing with him - especially for two seasons.
The NZRU has earned the benefit of the doubt on this one. They have been reasonable historically with early releases with players and coaches where it has made sense. They may well return the favour and release and NZRU contracted coach early as his replacement.
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So they appointed Foster without him having his full team of assistants nailed home. They should do the right thing and reopen the whole process to ensure they are making the appointment with 100% certainty who the entire coaching team is before making the appointment official.
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@Higgins said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
So they appointed Foster without him having his full team of assistants nailed home. They should do the right thing and reopen the whole process to ensure they are making the appointment with 100% certainty who the entire coaching team is before making the appointment official.
Funny how when they re-appointed GH, it apparently had a lot to do with the powerful team he put together, compared with the Robbie Deans team. Clearly different time different rules....
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I suspect Mooar is "torn" for as long as the negotiations continue. Am fully convinced (based on nothing) his preferred option is the And.
While there's still a chance he can't get out of the Scarlets' job he has to maintain some appearance of being keen to stay.
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@Higgins said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
So they appointed Foster without him having his full team of assistants nailed home. They should do the right thing and reopen the whole process to ensure they are making the appointment with 100% certainty who the entire coaching team is before making the appointment official.
Yeah that'll help.
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@Machpants said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
FFS I didn't realise he hasn't even actually agreed to it yet. I just thought it was subject to money. Razor should have named Tony brown as his assistant, subject to negotiations. Fuck it, Wayne Smith too!
Utter toss
As above, would venture to suggest he's agreed to it and it is just subject to money.
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@canefan said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Higgins said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
So they appointed Foster without him having his full team of assistants nailed home. They should do the right thing and reopen the whole process to ensure they are making the appointment with 100% certainty who the entire coaching team is before making the appointment official.
Funny how when they re-appointed GH, it apparently had a lot to do with the powerful team he put together, compared with the Robbie Deans team. Clearly different time different rules....
Also, GH was a very very good coach. Strong track record, put a good team on the paddock with a track record of success (and dominance) - we were well ahead of every other nation in 07 in my opinion. Got undone by mental weakness, combined with a very good french side and a ref that swallows his whistle. The team he assembed was a contributing factor, but GH's capability was a massive contribution to that as well.
I think they got the call spot on.
