Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua
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<p>I don't find Fury offensive, probably because I'm not a woman, not gay and have never had an abortion, but I do think he's a complete asshole.</p>
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<p>A lot of what he says isn't a "political opinion". It's just uneducated bullshit.</p>
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Obviously it is great when sports stars become great role models, although they are under no obligation to do so. Muhammad Ali (the greatest), John Kirwan and Jonah Lomu all developed into impressive humanitarians who did practical things to take on injustice and help people.<br><br>
Fury is entitled to his opinions the same as anyone else. It is just a shame that he has used his platform as heavyweight champion of the world so far to spread prejudice. I hope he learns from this when to keep his mouth shut and becomes a better person. -
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Most of you aren't the biggest pugilistic fans but I for one struggle to accept Ali as 'the greatest' ( I believe it's not so clear cut ) when he lost five times. George Foreman said he thought Lennox Lewis was the greatest purely because he avenged both his losses. <br><br>
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Ali avenged his losses to Frazier, Norten and Spinks. All of those guys were much better fighters than McCall (it was a kind of rope-a-dope) and Rahman. Ali was way too old and broken to get back at Holmes and Berbick. Not sure if avenging losses is the best way to gauge the greatness of boxers. IMHO a focussed and motivated Tyson would be close to unbeatable. But in terms of consistency he can never be considered among the greats.
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<p>that round lasted forever just watching, musta been like an hour to them!! </p>
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<p>I was always a fan of the real old school sluggers like Jeffries, Dempsey and Marciano. Mind you Jack Johnson was basically the Ali of his era. I've never subscribed to the theory that modern fighters would beat them just because they were bigger.</p>
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<p>I dont think its a matter of modern fighters being better , its just strength and power increases with evolution , its an old argument with all power sports I guess , </p>
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<p>I cant pick a greatest , so many greats from all different eras ,and like other sports its hard to compare eras,</p>
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<p>i like Ali for skill , his hand speed and footwork was something else, and we possibly didnt see the best of him with his stint in jail when he was at his peak, </p>
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<p>Tyson for power , at his best I dont think anyone could have stood there and exchanged with him , not in early rounds anyway when he used to burst out of the blocks like a mad man </p> -
<p>Would have loved to see a 3 round slug fest of tua vs tyson. Doubt it would last 3 rounds.</p>
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<p>Tua in his prime was amazing. Sure he fought a lot of bums but they all do in the early stages. The way Tua dealt to the likes of Ruiz and Moorer and the wins over Rahman and Maskaev was pretty dam impressive. Was a shame he didnt bring his a-game ve Lewis. That fight had some much potential but never came to the boil.</p> -
To me the 'bigger,faster,stronger' stuff is more pertinent in Rugby. Much more so. I mean can anyone imagine the 75-80kg midfielders of yesteryear handling Nonu?<br><br>
I reckon some of the older fighters could have slugged it out on an even keel with Tyson.....have a read of this tough bugger.....<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Jeffries">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Jeffries</a><br><br>
Mind you, it's ultimately impossible to say and Tyson was damn scary in his prime.....hard to gauge Jeffries from shitty black and white footage.<br><br>
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When you look at Fury, with that body he could easily be mistaken with the fighters of yesteryear. One thing with boxing is that it has been professional for more than a century. The tops guys could afford to do nothing but train. Yes there have been advances in training, conditioning, nutrition etc. but the fundamentals are still the same. You could perhaps also argue that there was a much bigger and better pool of talent back in the day. <br><br>
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<p>Fury is revelling in the publicity. This is brilliant.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/tyson-fury-im-mr-famous-now-34273794.html'>http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/tyson-fury-im-mr-famous-now-34273794.html</a></p> -
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<p>Fury is revelling in the publicity. This is brilliant.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/tyson-fury-im-mr-famous-now-34273794.html'>http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/tyson-fury-im-mr-famous-now-34273794.html</a></p>
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<p>Shame The Fast Show isn't still on. Perfect material.</p> -
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When you look at Fury, with that body he could easily be mistaken with the fighters of yesteryear. One thing with boxing is that it has been professional for more than a century. The tops guys could afford to do nothing but train. Yes there have been advances in training, conditioning, nutrition etc. but the fundamentals are still the same. You could perhaps also argue that there was a much bigger and better pool of talent back in the day. <br>
Didn't they also use to fight an astonishing number of rounds in the early days? Like 50 or something.</p></blockquote>
Google images of Jack Johnson ( not the singer ) and Jim Jeffries ( not the comedian ) both of them have physiques seriously ahead of their time. Definitely a few weight sessions and steak meals in there along with awesome genetics.<br><br>
As for the rounds, yes they did a ridiculous amount and some of those were fucken bare knuckled !?!?!<br><br>
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<p>To me the 'bigger,faster,stronger' stuff is more pertinent in Rugby. Much more so. I mean can anyone imagine the 75-80kg midfielders of yesteryear handling Nonu?<br><br>
I reckon some of the older fighters could have slugged it out on an even keel with Tyson.....have a read of this tough bugger.....<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Jeffries">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Jeffries</a><br><br>
Mind you, it's ultimately impossible to say and Tyson was damn scary in his prime.....hard to gauge Jeffries from shitty black and white footage.<br><br>
JK, Tua did bring his A game he just couldn't grow any taller! I still reckon even getting a shot was a great achievement though.</p>
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<p>Marciano was a beast in his time , but fought at about 85 kilos ,( I find that hard to believe he was that small but thats what they tell us) had a reach shorter than Mayweathers , I heard he only fought 2 guys that weighed more than 200 pounds ( 90 kilos) , modern fighters are 110 plus now </p>
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<p>He would be a small cruiserweight now you would think , </p>
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<p>Absolute beast in his era , and not intending to take anything away from him because he is a legend, but its hard to imagine him with his style , bothering the big units like Lennox Lewis and Klitchko too much now </p> -
<p>Mike Tyson v George Foreman would have been fun while it lasted</p>
<p>Holyfield v Bowe are great heavyweight fights</p>
<p>Tua had some great fights yes but some utter shite as well - motivation and ring smarts when needed (easily outskilled) were at times lacking.</p>
<p>Def Tua just did not have the work ethic and dedication of Parker - if he did he prob would have got a version of the title</p>
