Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua
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Yes but we were living in very different times back then and yes he went too far sometimes but mostly Ali was very entertaining</p></blockquote>
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I was a kid when Ali was around , <br><br>
It's interesting how the perception of him has changed , is loved now , but not at the time <br><br>
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<p>“There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home: one of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one’s paedophilia.â€<br><br>
Yep, hilarious.</p>
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<p>"The white man is my enemy" and "Joe Frazier is an Uncle Tom, he works to the enemy". Amongst a ton of others.</p>
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<p>Mundine is probably a better example, some absolutely off-the-reservation ideas as far as I'm concerned but it certainly helped develop his character and get people interested in his fights at least for a little while.</p>
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<p>There is a reason Hulk Hogan won his first WWF title off the Iron Sheik and many of his first defences were against Koloff and Volkoff - not to mention the Slaughter/Sadam Hussein angle the gulf war.</p>
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<p>I couldn't give a monkeys what Tyson Fury's political and religious opinions are. They are a private matter for him and his family. If the media find his opinions offensive they shouldn't keep asking him or broadcasting them.<br><br>
But the idea that a guy who has just defeated a legend like Klitschko and become heavy-weight champion of the world, shouldn't be on a short list of the 12 best sports stars in the UK is utterly ridiculous. Fury isn't standing for political office or offering to bring up anyone else's children, his job is knocking 7 bells out of another guy in a boxing ring. Something he is very good at.<br><br>
It's not like a nation that got dumped out of the last Soccer, Cricket and Rugby world cups (even when they had home advantage) in the group stages, is so blessed with sporting process and success that they can turn their noses up at a talented athlete like Tyson Fury.</p>
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<p>Calm down, nobody said it was hilarious.</p>
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<p>He's playing the bad guy to get a reaction I think.</p>
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<p>Judging by the overreaction on here, it's been a raging success.</p>
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<p>I actually think he's just speaking his mind. I don't think he thinks he's a bad guy at all.</p> -
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<p>I actually think he's just speaking his mind. I don't think he thinks he's a bad guy at all.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-tells-critics-suck-6963514'>These are not the actions</a> of someone who isn't at least a little self aware. Pure heel playing the crowd for a pay day.</p> -
Maybe I just don't get his "humour". I don't find him offensive, he's a boxer FFS, it's just when he opens his mouth he just seems to make a massive twat of himself. But then maybe that's just me, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.<br><br>
Comparing him with Ali? Let's just say you can cut a guy a bit it of slack once he's become sporting icon. Fury has a looooong way to go before he can lace his boots. I don't think Fury is in it for the long haul, my guess is he knows he is a limited fighter and is enjoying his moment in the sun.<br><br>
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<p>He can be a limited fighter if he can negate opponents best punches with that long long reach.</p>
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<p>I don't find Fury offensive, probably because I'm not a woman, not gay and have never had an abortion, but I do think he's a complete asshole.</p>
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<p>A lot of what he says isn't a "political opinion". It's just uneducated bullshit.</p>
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Obviously it is great when sports stars become great role models, although they are under no obligation to do so. Muhammad Ali (the greatest), John Kirwan and Jonah Lomu all developed into impressive humanitarians who did practical things to take on injustice and help people.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ben" data-cid="546833" data-time="1449698759"><p>Some people, you know, get a little miffed by homophobia and misogyny.</p></blockquote>
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Most of you aren't the biggest pugilistic fans but I for one struggle to accept Ali as 'the greatest' ( I believe it's not so clear cut ) when he lost five times. George Foreman said he thought Lennox Lewis was the greatest purely because he avenged both his losses. <br><br>
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Ali avenged his losses to Frazier, Norten and Spinks. All of those guys were much better fighters than McCall (it was a kind of rope-a-dope) and Rahman. Ali was way too old and broken to get back at Holmes and Berbick. Not sure if avenging losses is the best way to gauge the greatness of boxers. IMHO a focussed and motivated Tyson would be close to unbeatable. But in terms of consistency he can never be considered among the greats.
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<p>that round lasted forever just watching, musta been like an hour to them!! </p>
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<p>I was always a fan of the real old school sluggers like Jeffries, Dempsey and Marciano. Mind you Jack Johnson was basically the Ali of his era. I've never subscribed to the theory that modern fighters would beat them just because they were bigger.</p>
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<p>I dont think its a matter of modern fighters being better , its just strength and power increases with evolution , its an old argument with all power sports I guess , </p>
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<p>I cant pick a greatest , so many greats from all different eras ,and like other sports its hard to compare eras,</p>
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<p>i like Ali for skill , his hand speed and footwork was something else, and we possibly didnt see the best of him with his stint in jail when he was at his peak, </p>
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<p>Tyson for power , at his best I dont think anyone could have stood there and exchanged with him , not in early rounds anyway when he used to burst out of the blocks like a mad man </p>
