All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So either NZ coaches don't actually care about coaching the ABs anymore, or, they already know the outcome of the "process" and we are being given window dressing for appeasement
Good conspiracy or perhaps the process is truly transparent, now guarantees are being given and there is a two year contract up for grabs?
Maybe it is as simple as Japan and Aussie have come to these two and said - we will give you four years and $$$ if you sign here now.
In a truly transparent contest why would these two necessarily turn down the sure thing when at least one of them was going to leave empty handed.
This indicates that NZ Rugby has too high an opinion ( as I do) of the honor of getting to coach the ABs, suggesting that the appointment process may be too long and too complex, meaning that we aren't getting applications from the very best as other nations jump in with higher paying offers with greater security. That's a horrible reality if true, but should be considered.
I think it also suggests that we haven't looked at how to successfully bring top coaches home as part of coaching teams.
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
This indicates that NZ Rugby has too high an opinion ( as I do) of the honor of getting to coach the ABs, suggesting that the appointment process may be too long and too complex, meaning that we aren't getting applications from the very best as other nations jump in with higher paying offers with greater security. That's a horrible reality if true, but should be considered.
I think it also suggests that we haven't looked at how to successfully bring top coaches home as part of coaching teams.
Eh, I don't know. It is a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Japan and Aussie have been able to nab these guys because they forewent a formal interview process and just headhunted (or in the case of Joseph reappointed) their men.
If the NZRU did that there would be an uproar.
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So do OZ, Japan etc not have a long drawn out process? Did someone just say Rennie is the man, offer it to him? It seems strange they didn't even apply for the AB's. Surely JJ and Rennie could have said I will make my decision after the AB's announce their coach.
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@chimoaus said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So do OZ, Japan etc not have a long drawn out process? Did someone just say Rennie is the man, offer it to him? It seems strange they didn't even apply for the AB's. Surely JJ and Rennie could have said I will make my decision after the AB's announce their coach.
I guess you don't want to be the coach looking around when the music finishes to find all the seats are taken.
I've no doubt talks between JJ and Japan were well progressed and further cemented with their excellent RWC campaign. Additionally it makes sense that the ARU targeted Rennie early and it got to the point they were completing the agreement about the final five per cent...
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in a statement from Rennie:
"I'm a proud kiwi, but the thing is I'd been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came late in the piece. By that stage we'd done alot of homework & were really excited by the opportunity to go to Australia, so that ended up being an easy decision"
so was he not aware of the impending job vacancy when he started talking with Aus?
An easy decison...good luck to him.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
in a statement from Rennie:
"I'm a proud kiwi, but the thing is I'd been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came late in the piece. By that stage we'd done alot of homework & were really excited by the opportunity to go to Australia, so that ended up being an easy decision"
so was he not aware of the impending job vacancy when he started talking with Aus?
An easy decison...good luck to him.
No, he is saying the interest in him from the AB's came late.
Sounds as though it was an easy decision. Good on him. I wish him good fortune over there.
Here is to him building them up and us attempting to break them down.
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He's doing an excellent job as Secret Agent Rennie - convincing them early that they've got a chance.
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@Hooroo I realise what he said, but point is, surely he knew the AB role was coming up, and if he was keen, he wouldnt have gone balls deep in Aussie.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Hooroo I realise what he said, but point is, surely he knew the AB role was coming up, and if he was keen, he wouldnt have gone balls deep in Aussie.
How would have he known they were going to ask him to apply given the incumbent looked to be Foster? He would have been a moron to just sit and hope?
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@Hooroo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Hooroo I realise what he said, but point is, surely he knew the AB role was coming up, and if he was keen, he wouldnt have gone balls deep in Aussie.
How would have he known they were going to ask him to apply given the incumbent looked to be Foster? He would have been a moron to just sit and hope?
Based on their actions, I think these other coaches realize they had little to no chance of getting the job
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@Hooroo so you dont think he could have applied all on his own, knowing Hansen was stepping down? Or do they operate differently and only apply if shoulder tapped?
That goes back to my earlier point, did these guys think the job was a done deal, so have taken other options.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B Rennie the Roo?
If he beats us - the follow up headline could be "Roo-ted!"
Works even better if he hires Sir Graham as a consultant!
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Hooroo so you dont think he could have applied all on his own, knowing Hansen was stepping down? Or do they operate differently and only apply if shoulder tapped?
Sure he could have said I am available to coach and in the mean time looking elsewhere until I hear back?
It doesn't really work like that though
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@Hooroo again comes back to how much he wanted to coach the ABs though doesnt it, we just assume he was dead keen...
Given he aint taking it this time round, could be a dozen or so more years before this chance comes around for him...given in all likelyhood he will be renegotiating an extension with Aus in 4 years, or looking for something else, I cant see him leaving Aus and walking into the ABs, which is why I plucked 12 years out...
I appreciate Aus were probably pressuring him to sign knowing themselves the AB job was coming up, but I am just saying, his supposed 'dream job' is coming up but he doesnt even apply...
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Ugh. After the meh semi performance (and meh few years, TBH) I was excited at the thought of a coaching clean out. AB's have always been at their best when they lead with fresh and bold ideas, not trot out the same stale ones and let the rest of the world catch up. If it's gonna be Foster...UGH. He fucked the Chiefs so bad as head coach, apart from 2009, they were mediocre, and those last two years, such complete dogshit that even diehard Waikato fans were eager to see the back of him.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Hooroo again comes back to how much he wanted to coach the ABs though doesnt it, we just assume he was dead keen...
Given he aint taking it this time round, could be a dozen or so more years before this chance comes around for him...given in all likelyhood he will be renegotiating an extension with Aus in 4 years, or looking for something else, I cant see him leaving Aus and walking into the ABs, which is why I plucked 12 years out...
I appreciate Aus were probably pressuring him to sign knowing themselves the AB job was coming up, but I am just saying, his supposed 'dream job' is coming up but he doesnt even apply...
YEah I don't see what you're missing with that? Shoulder tapped by Aussie, went through the due process and months later gets shoulder tapped to apply for AB's but has already sussed another job.
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So the best coaching options are now going to be plotting the AB's downfall.
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@Hooroo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
h I don't see what you're missing with that? Shoulder tapped by Aussie, went through the due process and months later gets shoulder tapped to apply for AB's but has already sussed another job.
not missing anything, I just think its odd if he knew the AB job was coming up, which I think pretty much everyone did since Hansen said he was resigning post RWC, that if it was the 'pinnacle' of coaching jobs for a Kiwi, then why wouldnt he actually apply.
I appreciate he cant sit about waiting for the call that might not come, but def wont get the job you dont apply for!
