All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
i was going to just make smart ass, flippant comments about this, but, after Rennie joining the Wallabies, i have found i am actually pretty fucked off.
So far, before the process has even had a chance to run its course, Gatland, Schmidt, Joseph, and Rennie (admittedly for a variety of reasons) have ruled themselves out. One has agreed to stay at a T2 nation, for probably a shedload of cash, but still minimal opportunities (around 10 tests a year, against Korea, and Hong Kong). Another has taken the spot of our national rivals, a team that has enormous issues behind it, and has just lost a bunch of their key players, but still comes with expectations of success.
So either NZ coaches don't actually care about coaching the ABs anymore, or, they already know the outcome of the "process" and we are being given window dressing for appeasement
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@antipodean Schmidt was quoted recently in saying he hadn't had a day off work while he was the Irish coach. The role as an assistant coach would not be as all-consuming or demanding as that.
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I’m a bit pissed off that these guys were developed in our professional system but can compete against us at the highest level - there have been longish gaps between them leaving Super and joining these teams - so I’m wondering if anyone knows of non-competes for coaches and how long they should be? If we don’t have them to be appointed to a Super (or even Mitre 10) role, should we? And, how long is appropriate?
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So either NZ coaches don't actually care about coaching the ABs anymore, or, they already know the outcome of the "process" and we are being given window dressing for appeasement
well the way things are going, they are all but making that happen, whether it was going to or not.
Was listening to a thing on the Radio yesterday where they were discussing how we just 'assume' these guys aspire to coach the ABs (simiarly how kids aspire to be ABs)
That said, I think Rennie had said he would like to coach the ABs? With this appointment, I reckon he just pushed that back at least a dozen years.
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I’m a bit pissed off that these guys were developed in our professional system but can compete against us at the highest level - there have been longish gaps between them leaving Super and joining these teams - so I’m wondering if anyone knows of non-competes for coaches and how long they should be? If we don’t have them to be appointed to a Super (or even Mitre 10) role, should we? And, how long is appropriate?
i actually don't have a issue with that for some reason.
Probably the thing that gets me is all these kiwi coaches seem pretty keen to get kiwis in to other test sides, giving another incentive for our 2nd tier pleayers to fuck off.
But seriously, it's looking like the ABs and the Wallabies are about announce 2 ex-Chiefs coaches. One was pretty ordinary who brought no success to the side. The other won the comp twice and had us as annual contenders. Guess which one will be the AB coach?
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I’m a bit pissed off that these guys were developed in our professional system but can compete against us at the highest level - there have been longish gaps between them leaving Super and joining these teams - so I’m wondering if anyone knows of non-competes for coaches and how long they should be? If we don’t have them to be appointed to a Super (or even Mitre 10) role, should we? And, how long is appropriate?
i actually don't have a issue with that for some reason.
Probably the thing that gets me is all these kiwi coaches seem pretty keen to get kiwis in to other test sides, giving another incentive for our 2nd tier pleayers to fuck off.
But seriously, it's looking like the ABs and the Wallabies are about announce 2 ex-Chiefs coaches. One was pretty ordinary who brought no success to the side. The other won the comp twice and had us as annual contenders. Guess which one will be the AB coach?
I’m not looking forward to this next All Black cycle at all!
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Funnily enough, that’s one of the problems I have with it - the coaching drain and player drain feed off each other - while we are supposedly the poachers.
I don’t get, at all, why Rennie wouldn’t want the AB gig. I know rugby is a business etc etc, but I can’t see how anyone would t cut off their arm to try to even be an asst AB coach. I’m a bit bit pissed with Toby Brown for that too, now that it turns out the JJ hasn’t even expressed interest.
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@gt12 Yeah I think TB's excuse is pretty lame. As an adult, let alone an international coach. Oh I'm tying my flag to someone else's mast, no matter what they do. Lucky JJ didn't decide for a nice rest coaching the sunwolves for their last year.
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The other thing is the Crusaders don't seem to be doing anything to prepare for Robertson's departure. Maybe they're doing a really good job of keeping things under the radar and nothing has leaked. But if the Crusader mafia was as strong as some suspect you'd have thought they'd be lining someone up.
If Robertson gets announced in mid-late December and the Crusaders don't have a replacement ready to go they're basically fucked.
But if the Crusaders have good reasons to think Robertson isn't going to get the job, then they might not be as worried.
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@Cyclops said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The other thing is the Crusaders don't seem to be doing anything to prepare for Robertson's departure. Maybe they're doing a really good job of keeping things under the radar and nothing has leaked. But if the Crusader mafia was as strong as some suspect you'd have thought they'd be lining someone up.
If Robertson gets announced in mid-late December and the Crusaders don't have a replacement ready to go they're basically fucked.
But if the Crusaders have good reasons to think Robertson isn't going to get the job, then they might not be as worried.
I'm sure the Hammettuer is ready to return home when needed.
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So either NZ coaches don't actually care about coaching the ABs anymore, or, they already know the outcome of the "process" and we are being given window dressing for appeasement
Good conspiracy or perhaps the process is truly transparent, now guarantees are being given and there is a two year contract up for grabs?
Maybe it is as simple as Japan and Aussie have come to these two and said - we will give you four years and $$$ if you sign here now.
In a truly transparent contest why would these two necessarily turn down the sure thing when at least one of them was going to leave empty handed.
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@Cyclops said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The other thing is the Crusaders don't seem to be doing anything to prepare for Robertson's departure. Maybe they're doing a really good job of keeping things under the radar and nothing has leaked. But if the Crusader mafia was as strong as some suspect you'd have thought they'd be lining someone up.
If Robertson gets announced in mid-late December and the Crusaders don't have a replacement ready to go they're basically fucked.
But if the Crusaders have good reasons to think Robertson isn't going to get the job, then they might not be as worried.
Crusaders are due to name a defensive coach in a couple of weeks that maybe the new coach coming in
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So either NZ coaches don't actually care about coaching the ABs anymore, or, they already know the outcome of the "process" and we are being given window dressing for appeasement
Good conspiracy or perhaps the process is truly transparent, now guarantees are being given and there is a two year contract up for grabs?
Maybe it is as simple as Japan and Aussie have come to these two and said - we will give you four years and $$$ if you sign here now.
In a truly transparent contest why would these two necessarily turn down the sure thing when at least one of them was going to leave empty handed.
This indicates that NZ Rugby has too high an opinion ( as I do) of the honor of getting to coach the ABs, suggesting that the appointment process may be too long and too complex, meaning that we aren't getting applications from the very best as other nations jump in with higher paying offers with greater security. That's a horrible reality if true, but should be considered.
I think it also suggests that we haven't looked at how to successfully bring top coaches home as part of coaching teams.
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@gt12 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
This indicates that NZ Rugby has too high an opinion ( as I do) of the honor of getting to coach the ABs, suggesting that the appointment process may be too long and too complex, meaning that we aren't getting applications from the very best as other nations jump in with higher paying offers with greater security. That's a horrible reality if true, but should be considered.
I think it also suggests that we haven't looked at how to successfully bring top coaches home as part of coaching teams.
Eh, I don't know. It is a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Japan and Aussie have been able to nab these guys because they forewent a formal interview process and just headhunted (or in the case of Joseph reappointed) their men.
If the NZRU did that there would be an uproar.
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So do OZ, Japan etc not have a long drawn out process? Did someone just say Rennie is the man, offer it to him? It seems strange they didn't even apply for the AB's. Surely JJ and Rennie could have said I will make my decision after the AB's announce their coach.
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@chimoaus said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So do OZ, Japan etc not have a long drawn out process? Did someone just say Rennie is the man, offer it to him? It seems strange they didn't even apply for the AB's. Surely JJ and Rennie could have said I will make my decision after the AB's announce their coach.
I guess you don't want to be the coach looking around when the music finishes to find all the seats are taken.
I've no doubt talks between JJ and Japan were well progressed and further cemented with their excellent RWC campaign. Additionally it makes sense that the ARU targeted Rennie early and it got to the point they were completing the agreement about the final five per cent...
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in a statement from Rennie:
"I'm a proud kiwi, but the thing is I'd been talking to Australia for a lot of months and the All Blacks interest came late in the piece. By that stage we'd done alot of homework & were really excited by the opportunity to go to Australia, so that ended up being an easy decision"
so was he not aware of the impending job vacancy when he started talking with Aus?
An easy decison...good luck to him.
