All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The more I read the more it is obvious. Foster surely cannot get the job. Shouldn't you need to have success at some high level of coaching? How did he get into the All Blacks set up in the first place? If he gets it, it just seems to be real cronyism.
Like Hansen then?
5 years NPC with 2 wins despite having the strength of Canterbury
2 years as an assistant with the Saders
33% win record as a head coach with Wales
How did he get into the ABs set up in the first place?
87% success with ABs as head coach despite no success at some high level of coaching.
Just trying to add some clarity around things.
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I reckon JJ has the inside running at the moment for a couple of reasons.
Despite what I typed above he has shown an ability at international level and he has at least one key desirable coaching partner.
Hansen and continuity won out after Henry because there was value that could be seen in completing the transition of culture which was getting results. The alternatives were unproven at that time.
Is continuity required now? I would question what Foster is going to bring that differs from what has been shown within the Shag era. Do we need to continue something that hasn't finished yet? I don't think so.
I think that Robertson is going to be seen as young enough to go and get some international experience under his belt. He has already declared that he won't be an assistant so he either stays at the Saders proving nothing or takes up an overseas job. It doesn't have to be at a top tier country. If he can create good wins with a second tier (like JJ) he will be ready to come back.
I reckon either Scotland or Italy would be great for his future development.
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think that Robertson is going to be seen as young enough to go and get some international experience under his belt. He has already declared that he won't be an assistant so he either stays at the Saders proving nothing or takes up an overseas job. It doesn't have to be at a top tier country. If he can create good wins with a second tier (like JJ) he will be ready to come back.
I reckon either Scotland or Italy would be great for his future development.
Robertson extended his contract with the Crusaders and NZR until 2021; that was after he had expressed interest in the ABs head coach role. So if he doesn't get the top gig, he'll stay at least until after the 2021 SR season.
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@mariner4life That's not my account! I'm undercover on twitter.
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life That's not my account! I'm undercover on twitter.
suuuure
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The more I read the more it is obvious. Foster surely cannot get the job. Shouldn't you need to have success at some high level of coaching? How did he get into the All Blacks set up in the first place? If he gets it, it just seems to be real cronyism.
Like Hansen then?
5 years NPC with 2 wins despite having the strength of Canterbury
2 years as an assistant with the Saders
33% win record as a head coach with Wales
How did he get into the ABs set up in the first place?
87% success with ABs as head coach despite no success at some high level of coaching.
Just trying to add some clarity around things.
Only 50% record at RWCs as head coach ...
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@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I'm backing Dave Rennie now.
Nothing against JJ or Razor, but it'll be bloody funny if he-who-used-to-be-Sumo gets this one spectacularly wrong.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@KiwiMurph said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
how underwhelming.
JJ had 10 years coaching Super rugby and won once.
True, but with the Highlanders.
Not a feat anyone else has come close to (except perhaps the Queensland Reds win under Ewen McKenzie -- from rabble to winners back to rabble).
Even Rennie had more to work with when he came in.
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What does it matter, ABs have the finest cattle, anyone could coach them
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@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
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@nzzp said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
When you say "well travelled path" you mean it's happened once? With Steve Hansen? Scott Robertson has has success at every level as a coach, at club, U20's, provincial and Super Rugby levels. Why would he or should he play second fiddle to an absolute pretender like Ian Foster who has never had any success as a Head Coach?
The last two head coaches did overseas stints with Wales, then came back to the ABs. I think Henry squeezed in a season with the Blues as a support coach, and they won the thing.
International rugby is not Super. You have a larger player pool and less time with the players, no warm-ups, and the weaknesses in the opposition are less.
Given Robertson doesn't want to be an assistant, I'd be surprised if he got there this time. Could be the Deans candidate this time around
Scott Robertson has as much International Head Coach experience as Ian Foster does. None.
If NZR believe that this year's RWC is as good as it gets, and that a semi final loss is all that we should expect, then they should re-appoint Foster. He's the status quo candidate. He's business as usual. If NZR wants the Ab's to improve and to innovate, then they will need someone new.
Personally I don't want Scott Robertson to coach the AB's because I would like him to rebuild the Crusaders and develop our young squad. But if it means that Ian Foster isn't in charge of the AB's then I'd be happy to sacrifice Razor for the greater good.
