Hansen
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Never was a big fan of their music TBH.
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@reprobate said in Hansen:
Fuck off aucklanders. Rieko had been average and the wings were hardly the problems. Not picking Cane was shit. Beauden played shit. Subbing goodhue was shit. Plenty of dumb stuff, but not crusaders bias.
Yep, and the worst AB tonight was J Barrett, not Bridge or Reece.
Barrett's mistake was unforgivable. He had plenty of time, just needed to kick it or pass it, and we could exit. With some territory and a bit of possession at only 6 points back, we could have still stolen it. But.
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So, I stand by my assertion that Hansen could only do so much with the available cattle. Losing C Smith, Nonu, Carter, McCaw, Woodcock and Mealamu after 2015 (and Kaino after 2017) was always going to be an enormous challenge and replacing those guys plus trying to nurse through other aging stars resulted in holes and selection inconsistencies. So I'm happy to defend Hansen on the basis that the 200 or so professional players he had at his disposal were on balance of lesser quality than those he had leading into 2015, but what does upset me is the lack of thorough blooding of replacements and shifting tactics around personnel. By this I refer to his needless shoe-horning of the incompetent J Barrett into the top 23 ahead of Ben Smith, his management of Reiko Ioane and inability to have him firing at exactly the time we needed him, the inconsistency of selection in midfield when Blind Freddy could see from last year the Goodhue / ALB combination was the one to bed in, his management of Liam Squire who's absence hurt our loose forward combo and depth, ultimately resulting in the selection of S Barrett to start on the blindside (a fine lock / 6 cover but not a starting option at 6, just yet anyway), and lastly what really shits me is he now leaves and what the fuck has he done about succession at 8?
But all this managerial jiggery-pokery aside, I think any combination of any players available to Hansen would have been beaten up today. We're just not the same side of 2010 - 2015, which was probably the GOAT.
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His record proves otherwise. Cant understand the negativity.
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@BerniesCorner said in Hansen:
His record proves otherwise.
Sorry, if Foster replaced Hansen in 2015 and produced an identical record he would unanimously be regarded as the worst AB coach in the pro era (Irish losses, Lions Tour, semi final exit) regardless of winning percentage.
It is important to take his career in the whole though and by the same token if he pulled stumps in 2015 he goes down as the best in the pro era.
Somewhere in the middle. Hard to accept 2019 was a bridge too far for Ben Smith and Owen Franks but wasn't for Hansen, Foster and maybe even Read.
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@Machpants said in Hansen:
@MajorRage said in Hansen:
Bullshit. You guys are pathetic.
This., utter rubbish. England played a blinder. We played like we'd spent ourselves Vs Ireland. Like last semi,, except we had carter too save us with grit. Our current players aren't gritty but they are amazing
Yeah. Can't blame Hansen for today. Been clear that things have been on the slide for a year or two - not too sure what Hansen could have done with injuries but....
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He never settled on a 12/13 combination - injuries didn't help.
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His Ardie/Cane/Read combo was great but he changes it for a key game
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Read really doesn't inspire when under pressure - could Hansen have really sacked him?
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As a team, they seemed to lose their focus when under pressure. Missing Enoka?
No need to panic and don't think a wholesale clear-out is needed. But a good, long think most certainly is.
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Laughable. What exactly would they have offered? Franks can usually hold up a scrum on his teams ball...whoop de do. That's about it, he's a spent force at test level.
Their lineout lifting would have been handy today. They would have done a better job of protecting ruck ball to prevent turnovers.
Big lesson of today: don't surrender the advantage up front.
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Laughable. What exactly would they have offered? Franks can usually hold up a scrum on his teams ball...whoop de do. That's about it, he's a spent force at test level.
Their lineout lifting would have been handy today. They would have done a better job of protecting ruck ball to prevent turnovers.
Colour me unconvinced.
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Laughable. What exactly would they have offered? Franks can usually hold up a scrum on his teams ball...whoop de do. That's about it, he's a spent force at test level.
What exactly did Laulala, Ofa and Angus offer today? Penalties and at-best stable scrum ball.
Hah you've just perfectly described Franks' last half a dozen tests.
Edit: at least with the others there's a chance they might do something more.
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@Bones not quite sure Savea is an eight. I’d like to see a bigger body runner. I know he can make the yards but I think we need a big body eight and six in the traditional fashion. Especially when we are playing England and need to win in the forwards. England proved that we can’t get away with that up-tempo game against them.
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@Billy-Tell said in Hansen:
@Kirwan Exactly. And dropping Ioane and Cane was really aggravating.
Every 50/50 selection call had a Crusader bias too.
Seriously?!
This is the conspiracy theory nut job stuff.
Bridge, Reese, stupid Barrett at 6, Richie over BB at ten, broken Read persisted with, Taylor over Coles.
Each selection went the Crusaders way.
The loose forward mix was done so we'd still have an impact 7 off the bench. Frizzell was clearly never in their thinking, and Barrett had shown snippets of quality play at 6. This wasn't a ridiculous selection, but it didn't work out. Bridge and Reece were obvious starters. No one was complaining prior to the game. My only beef is why Hansen didn't manage Ioane better so he was an option. Richie only made one significant error and the Richie / BB combo was the ONLY ONE available to the selectors in their persistence with the dual play maker stuff. Taylor was also there on merit. And Read, well, that'll be debated for ages. I thought he was done a year ago but his form had built nicely this year until he crashed and burned by comparison in this game. Also, a lack of options to replace him (this is a Hansen succession issue, granted).
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@SynicBast said in Hansen:
Oh and by the way, this post 2015 team just isn't a patch on the previous side stacked with all-time greats. No-one could have done any better with the cattle available. Losing convincingly to a very good England side shouldn't be a major surprise to anyone given the patchy form shown throughout the 2016-19 era and the lesser standard of players available in general.
Given that we lost the best ever centre pairing, the GOAT, and two other all time greats after 2015, the level of expectation in terms of dominance was unfounded. I think it is time for a complete change now in AB management, but I will always rate Hansen - He's still one of the classiest people around in the way he thinks about the good of the game at a world level and also the way he has represented the ABs during some very major disruptive events.
Very well said.
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