RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Billy-Tell and yet the TJs practically push the hooker onto the mark even when it's simply not feasible due to the whole lineout having moved.
There are also a good number of hookers who systematically take one step to the right (or left) towards their team before throwing in.
TBH, I'm not a huge fan of rigidly applying all these little laws, but you just know that one day, all of a sudden, a try will be ruled out for hooker standing in the field of play when throwing in.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Billy-Tell and yet the TJs practically push the hooker onto the mark even when it's simply not feasible due to the whole lineout having moved.
There are also a good number of hookers who systematically take one step to the right (or left) towards their team before throwing in.
TBH, I'm not a huge fan of rigidly applying all these little laws, but you just know that one day, all of a sudden, a
n All Blacktry will be ruled out for hooker standing in the field of play when throwing in.I hear you.
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@Billy-Tell I always think about poor old Fox when I see hookers with their heel on the line and rest of the foot in field...ultimately 6 inches will have zero impact on the lineout so no issues the way it is as long as one over judicious ref doesn't rule out a try one day.
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@taniwharugby when you look at some of the margins lineouts are won/lost by.
SIX INCHES IS A BIG DEAL OK
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@Bones I guess the point is, if they stood behind the line it would not mean lineout would function differently (which brings the argument just stand behind the line FFS)
I think in the days of spring heeled locks with those waterlogged Adidas balls it probably had more impact.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
One of those laws that is never ever enforced...unless it's to prevent Grant Fox scoring his first ever international try. I find it incredible that international touch judges don't seem to care...laws should be simplified to remove it from the law book, since it's never applied.
ha ha ha, ironically I was talking about this very thing on Saturday night ... possilbly even this line out. Why bother having a law that is never enforced. Just change it to some part fo the foot must be on the line, and leave it at that ... or enforce it. Simple.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Did enjoy this ....
Yip it was the turning point...Ireland right in the game at the point...
(I think it is a penalty TBH)
The correct answer of course is because NZ controls world rugby and that the haka had psyched out Owens.
The way this tournament has been reffed, that entry was perfectly legal. Of course, no one has bothered to screenshot any of Ireland's side entries (including the one that results in Todd's shoulder injury).
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I bet they dont mention that knock on that wasnt in the 1st 10 seconds that had us immediately on attack.
Those muppets should know better than to trawl through games looking for incidenyes to highlight against 1 team...but I gues they are playing to their audience.
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@Billy-Tell International ARs don't appear to much of anything, let alone enforcing the offside line
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the other one is have a look at how many defensive lineouts close to a team's own line are caught inside the 5m
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bones I guess the point is, if they stood behind the line it would not mean lineout would function differently (which brings the argument just stand behind the line FFS)
I think in the days of spring heeled locks with those waterlogged Adidas balls it probably had more impact.
If they are doing it systematically (and pretty much every hooker seems to do it) presumably they think there's some advantage and every little bit helps. I presume that in theory you are allowed to stand on the touchline, but not over it. We were taught you had to stand behind the line - but, that was the days when wings threw the ball into the lineout!
It's a bit like people who kick off a couple of inches on the wrong side of halfway - Aaron Cruden was one who used to do this pretty much every kick-off, so evidently thought there was an advantage - and Sexton did it at least once at the weekend.
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@Chris-B Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I presume that in theory you are allowed to stand on the touchline, but not over it. We were taught you had to stand behind the line
Your first comment is correct I think. On the line is out in rugby, so a hooker standing on it is fine (some Chiefs joke available there).
The actual law:
"The player throwing in the ball stands on the mark of touch with both feet outside the field of play. The thrower must not step into the field of play until the ball has been thrown. Sanction: Option of lineout or scrum." -
@Chris-B or people who take 2 steps past the mark made by a ref for a penalty to kick it out.
Then there is BB, who is the ultimate cheat moving penalty kicks closer to the posts...
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Then there is BB, who is the ultimate cheat moving penalty kicks closer to the posts...
cheat. cynical cheat.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B or people who take 2 steps past the mark made by a ref for a penalty to kick it out.
The simple solution to that is for the AR to mark the lineout a few steps back from where it went out.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B or people who take 2 steps past the mark made by a ref for a penalty to kick it out.
The simple solution to that is for the AR to mark the lineout a few steps back from where it went out.
they could use the TMO to get it right
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@Snowy said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
The simple solution to that is for the AR to mark the lineout a few steps back from where it went out.
Or, the officials could just enforce the laws.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B or people who take 2 steps past the mark made by a ref for a penalty to kick it out.
The simple solution to that is for the AR to mark the lineout a few steps back from where it went out.
Judging by disbelieving facial expressions and arm waving, every kicker thinks the touchies already do this .....
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More analysis supporting the theory that there was a lot of powder kept dry
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