RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool B)
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@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Yeah, I'm not sure why you have to attack a player that's already half tackled. The swinging arm isn't good and not in that manner.
The issue is that you have to wrap the arms and grasp them in order to make a tackle. If he falls over, he's not tackled and he can get up and go again. Imagine it's close to the try line and an attacking player "falls over", you leave him alone and he gets up and goes again - you're probably going to concede a try.
So, you have wrap the arms to make a tackle and stop that guy getting up and going again. However, when he's falling, there's very little of the body that you can wrap your arms around. Even when you try to wrap safely - as someone said above, with a "vertical arm" - you're still likely to get some incidental contact on the neck or head. This is because there's not really any other safe way to make a "legal" tackle in those situations.
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@Stargazer said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Rembrandt said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:honestly what do you do when an opposition is at knee level? Do you just stand down?
Analysis from ITV (Bloody good, BTW ) saying it was for a swinging arm.
And questioned what a player is supposed to do with his limbs when falling down
Just fall on your head, apparently. Can't use your arms to break your fall, because they might touch someone's neck or head.
But then you're at risk of doing a shoulder-charge, which is arguably a much worse offence. Again, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't
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Wow sometimes you can't stop some one scoring a try. Well done to the attacking player. If the only way you can stop a try is kick a player in the head cos they're lunging on your outside, you don't do that. Same applies, don't swing your arm into their head, or shoulder. It's illegal. Works both ways, make sure you dive when you go for the line
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Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
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@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Wow sometimes you can't stop some one scoring a try. Well done to the attacking player. If the only way you can stop a try is kick a player in the head cos they're lunging on your outside, you don't do that. Same applies, don't swing your arm into their head, or shoulder. It's illegal. Works both ways, make sure you dive when you go for the line
Well if we adopt your idiotic suggestion you can replace "sometimes" with "always".
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
At 120 kgs , you have you legs bent . Crouching, assuming good low body position and he dives in , its fucken difficult to make adjustments split second
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@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Did you not notice ALB on the field - easily the best player on the park.
He gets the next vote after 3 2 and 1
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
At 120 kgs , you have you legs bent . Crouching, assuming good low body position and he dives in , its fucken difficult to make adjustments split second
No apparently you just back out and leave him. No sweat.
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Did you not notice ALB on the field - easily the best player on the park.
He gets the next vote after 3 2 and 1
So 4 points.
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@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Stargazer said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Rembrandt said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:honestly what do you do when an opposition is at knee level? Do you just stand down?
Analysis from ITV (Bloody good, BTW ) saying it was for a swinging arm.
And questioned what a player is supposed to do with his limbs when falling down
Just fall on your head, apparently. Can't use your arms to break your fall, because they might touch someone's neck or head.
But then you're at risk of doing a shoulder-charge, which is arguably a much worse offence. Again, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't
One of the ITV studio comms (ex Irish rugby player) suggested just using his chest. I'd love to see how that works
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@Rembrandt said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:honestly what do you do when an opposition is at knee level? Do you just stand down?
I guess you have to let him fall and try to stop 8 metres of rabbiting.
At the tryline it's now essential a player dives close at shin height.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@westcoastie said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@kev said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@No-Quarter you have to wrap your arms, you can’t lead with your shoulder. Have to stand in front and let them hit you, or let them go past and tackle from side.
push the ball carrier into the turf and fall on them.
I think the confusion stems from setting yourself low initially, then he falls , it’s hard to mark adjustments , especially if you are a big bloke
Exactly, you just cannot win with the way the rules are being implemented at the moment.
Yesterday, the problem was that Lavanini was stood up too high and, therefore, his shoulder was always at risk of crashing into the chin of Farrell (a much shorter man). So, the answer to that problem is to get the body height low and make sure contact is low (i.e. below the shoulders).
Today, we've seen Nepo and Ofa do what they should - set themselves low to ensure contact below the shoulders. However, as soon as they initiate their movement to tackle, the attacking player goes lower, basically removing any possibility to make contact below the shoulders - i.e. completely removing the target. So, the answer to that problem is to keep the body upright. But then, we just end up in Lavanini territory again!
So, as a defending player, you're buggered either way.
World Rugby really has to re-think this. There's got to be a bit of an onus on the attacking player to also protect his head. You simply cannot tell me that clever players and coaches will look at the past couple of days and make a tactical move to carry low and lead with the head.
If attacking coaches and players themselves are not going to be worried about their noggins, then why should defending teams be...?
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Said it earlier, so not wanting to sound like a stuck record, but I’ll be surprised if players, coaches , are not looking to exploit this by instructing players to fall at the last moment before contact
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@westcoastie said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@kev said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@No-Quarter you have to wrap your arms, you can’t lead with your shoulder. Have to stand in front and let them hit you, or let them go past and tackle from side.
push the ball carrier into the turf and fall on them.
I think the confusion stems from setting yourself low initially, then he falls , it’s hard to mark adjustments , especially if you are a big bloke
Yeah, you're expecting to hit a waist and have less than half a second to change?
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Just let them fall over then attack the ball fuck heads.
I'll say this again, these guys are falling. Let them but the ground
Jordie amazing 80 and 80 in 4 days. ALB and Ardie other top 3.
Jordie for canes 10
At full speed that decision cannot be made, it's ridiculous to even suggest it
Go easy, M4L, he is a winger after all...
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@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:@booboo said in RWC: All Blacks v Namibia (Pool
:Comments before I read the thread.
Flush the dunny on that first half.
Aaron FFS you're fucking Aaron Smith. What the fuck was that?
Ref made some really random calls to keep Namibs close, the van Jaarsveld flop over the ruck then penalise Whitelock, followed immediately by the forward pass in midfield as an example.
Jordie's first two kicks worried me but he was goid from the tee after that.
Our ruck work was incredibly untidy in the first forty.
Why did we take so long to work out that Laulala's 10 minutes was up?
POTDs for me were Ardie, Frizell and Jordie.
Oh yeah. How good was van Jaarsveld? What a pain in the arse was he? Not always legal but fun to watch.
Hope he gets some job offers after today
