RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A)
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Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
I'm not saying Ireland are going to win the tourney - in fact I expressly said they wouldn't!
What I am saying is that they could still beat us, because they are a decent enough team, with a game plan that has shown itself to be quite effective against us in the recent past.
As for their relative strengths, they're obvious - scrum, line out, mauls, box kicking - indeed kicking in general - and ability under the high ball. If they beat us in all of those areas in a RWC QF, they're right in the hunt and its going to take a massive effort to beat them.
The key is hoovering up all of their box kicks. Aside from kicking to the corner off penalties and giving the ball to Stockdale that’s their main way of gaining territory.
Yeah and to be fair we don't have a strong body of evidence that our wingers will definitely be able to handle the inevitable barrage that will rain down upon them.
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I think Ireland is still not the ideal match up for anyone in the quarters. If we had only played Aussie once going into the RWC this year things would have looked much different.
Headlines would have been more and more about how we are underdone.
Ireland will bounce back. SA did in a big way.
Up the Nippons
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@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
I'm not saying Ireland are going to win the tourney - in fact I expressly said they wouldn't!
What I am saying is that they could still beat us, because they are a decent enough team, with a game plan that has shown itself to be quite effective against us in the recent past.
As for their relative strengths, they're obvious - scrum, line out, mauls, box kicking - indeed kicking in general - and ability under the high ball. If they beat us in all of those areas in a RWC QF, they're right in the hunt and its going to take a massive effort to beat them.
Yes I agree that they're better than their last outing, but it signifies that they have no plan B and let's be honest: If Japan can nullify their game plan, so can we - even if rhey improve.
The big difference is what Hansen has been cleverly banging on about; we're used to that sort of pressure.
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Ireland just don't have the fitness. Their legs were gone at 35 minutes, and the halftime break didn't really make as much of a difference. In the second half the Japanese 6 was making ground with just about every carry. Plus Ireland's lock just seem a bit soft
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@LABCAT said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Thank you Japan!!! you have made this tournament far more exciting for me!!
I was starting to think it will be boring until the semis for NZ but if you can beat Scotland (which I believe you can) then the quarter final becomes far more exciting because there is actually a chance we can lose to Ireland.
There’s actually a chance we can beat Ireland. Which is great isn’t it.
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@jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful
Was on the ITV coverage.
He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@jegga said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Apparently BOD was a pundit on the Irish coverage and didn't take the result well. If anyone has the footage and can post it I will be eternally grateful
Was on the ITV coverage.
He had the look of a man who's swallowed a wasp during during a live TV interview and that distracted him from the fact he's also having a severe bowel spasm.
But he was all class
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
But he was all class
Yeah, thought he handled quite well, though his emotions were obvious.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
But he was all class
Yeah, thought he handled quite well, though his emotions were obvious.
Rather that than a talking head who doesn't give a toss either way
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Bones said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
I don't see it as being one game, not very genuine to say that. Ireland have been on the decline all year.
This. Looked to me other teams had worked out Ireland in the last 6N's
I think it's more age and injuries that have caught up with some of Ireland's key players.
While they have Sexton to hopefully come back, its the likes of Best, Healy, Stander, Kearney, Murray and O’Mahony that haven't being playing well in 2019 - effectively half the team.
England destroyed Ireland in the 6N's and August friendly's and Scotland ran them close in teh 6N, which was why I was surprised to see such a poor Scottish display last week.
It will be interesting to see how Ireland cope with Samoa. If Samoa manage to keep a full team on the field, I think Ireland will struggle.
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The big game is Japan vs Scotland IMO. A lot of possible permutations from today's result, with Ireland, Scotland and Japan all potentially being 1st, 2nd, or being knocked out. Samoa too, though I can't see them toppling 2 of Japan, Ireland and Scotland. -
@mofitzy_ said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
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The big game is Japan vs Scotland IMO. A lot of possible permutations from today's result, with Ireland, Scotland and Japan all potentially being 1st, 2nd, or being knocked out. Samoa too, though I can't see them toppling 2 of Japan, Ireland and Scotland.Samoa beating Scotland would be interesting. They would have all to play for vs Ireland.
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I honestly think that NH teams underestimate the mental strain of being number 1 and the expectations that come with it. You get the sense that ABs players and management are in the best mental space right now because they have dealt with it for years in and out of the World Cup. The weight of expectation was just to much for Ireland.
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