RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@Chester-Draws said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Maybe I’m getting confused between penalty advantage and knock on advantage.
You will search the Laws in vain for any difference. This is a fairly recent, made-up, distinction.
But I agree with Hydro that clear possession with a territory gain is definitely advantage. That one didn't bother me at all.
It certainly isn't a fairly recent distinction. It has been around a long time, certainly at least as old as when I had my first stint as a referee in 1999.
It makes perfect sense too. The advantage one gets from a PK offence should be more significant that that from a scrum offence because the restarts are so different. A PK allows a team to move up the field 30-40 metres and/or kick a goal.
A scrum merely allows possession.Advantage law gives a very wide discretion to the referee to decide. A good way of approximating advantage is to put yourself in the shoes of the captain and ask yourself whether - at that exact moment - he would prefer the current situation or to have the sanction offered. It isn't an exact science but this is one test to think about.
This particular one was clearly ok. It was tactical as well as territorial advantage. The AB's had good quality ball and freedom to use the ball as they wished. The fact they threw this away does not alter the fact that advantage had easily been achieved. Going back for the offence would have meant a defensive 5m scrum, 5m from touch.
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@Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Damo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Damo I wondered if the ALB tackle/ruck redefines an offside line making the interceptor a lazy runner, as he was coming back from the kolbe knock on.
Dunno, but it looked wrong
It looked wrong sure.
However a player can be put onside after a ruck by retreating to the line of the ruck, OR by a ball carrier running 5m with the ball. I didn't see it close enough to definitely say neither of those things happened.
Is this true?
That used to be the case back in the day eg Mike Brewer pinning Gav Hastings Auckland 1990, 10m circle etc.I thought that changed with 1992 law changes.
Has something changed again,
Yep it is true. Whether it should be or not is a good question.
The caveat is that the offside plyer must be retiring. He can't loiter, wait to be put onside and then get involved in play.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I see some are having a moan about the 'disrespect' shown during the Haka by opposition fans.
Fark some people are so precious they need to pull their farking heads in.
It is sport, fans can react how they like.
David Campese rarely stood with the team during the haka, often wandering back towards the goal posts with a ball tossing it about and kicking it while he waited.
No-one cared and I do not recall people remarking on it - this was, of course, in the olden days before people dressed up to take to the streets in search of offence, or evident advantage that just wasn't fair, or unacceptable and inappropriate inappropriateness, and reasons to threaten to neck themselves if you didn't care.
For mine the haka is part of a grand spectacle and the sports administrators are better off focusing on their job of giving the people good reason to turn up.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Rapido although a couple of forward passes they got away with made up...one was on one of Colbys electric runs...think was the last few mins they were over the ball for an age and didnt get it.
I know it's hard to look with both eyes open at the time but I think both teams can feel aggrieved/lucky with some calls.
Yes. My post wasn't an attempt at a list of Garces mistakes. Was an attempt to think of other instances that could have added to NZ penalty count in an otherwise remarkable discipline effort by NZ. Although I did drift into the knockons.
My list in my head of Garces mistakes and missed fouls favouring SAF is longer - but then obviously one of my eyes is bigger than the other.... most already been discussed anyway.
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@sparky One of the most impressive things in that movement was A Smith line he ran after his pass. He made a direct line to where Reece would likely be if he made a break, turns out he did and Smith was in the perfect place to take a pass and link to Savea. Its those little things that make the difference.
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Also as mentioned elsewhere aren't all the forwards in front of A Smith offside and have to retreat until Smith puts them onside? They all literally start moving forward after the kick. A Smith in fact never gets in front of the forwards. I must admit I don't know the exact rules but this might be one of those that is ignored in todays game due to all the box kicking?
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@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Also as mentioned elsewhere aren't all the forwards in front of A Smith offside and have to retreat until Smith puts them onside? They all literally start moving forward after the kick. A Smith in fact never gets in front of the forwards. I must admit I don't know the exact rules but this might be one of those that is ignored in todays game due to all the box kicking?
No they are put onside immediately by the blindsided winger and also Read on the openside. It doesn't have to be the kicker that puts them on, just a player who was behind the kicker.
They wouldn't have to retreat anyway, just not move forward (unless they are within 10 m from the line of touch where the ball lands.
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@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@sparky One of the most impressive things in that movement was A Smith line he ran after his pass. He made a direct line to where Reece would likely be if he made a break, turns out he did and Smith was in the perfect place to take a pass and link to Savea. Its those little things that make the difference.
Also loved how quickly he unloaded to Ardie. Knows Ardie is the better carrier, but even more, knows he is better off supporting and clearing the ball quickly from the next ruck.
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@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Thought Bridge had a pretty ordinary game eh. A couple of nice touches but more ugly moments, including one where he seemed to almost be avoiding attempting to catch a kick. He really shouldn't be being beaten by a midget in the air.
Really, I thought he was pretty solid. I'll have to rewatch. I love the lines he runs in support, genuine pace and smarts. He's obviously more Howlett than Rokocoko, but I think he did enough to earn his spot for the big dance in the QF
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Good game? Worth watching a replay?
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@Frank said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@sparky
Top rated comment on that highlight claims Reece's pass to Smith was forward. Dummies don't even know backward from the hand = not forward.Saffas are some of the worst at understanding the forward pass rule in my experience. I think they should all be forced to watch the IRB video before commenting on forward passes in future.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Good game? Worth watching a replay?
Yes. Excellent 2nd 20 mins, final 15 mins, we were tested and came through well
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@voodoo said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@chimoaus said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@sparky One of the most impressive things in that movement was A Smith line he ran after his pass. He made a direct line to where Reece would likely be if he made a break, turns out he did and Smith was in the perfect place to take a pass and link to Savea. Its those little things that make the difference.
Also loved how quickly he unloaded to Ardie. Knows Ardie is the better carrier, but even more, knows he is better off supporting and clearing the ball quickly from the next ruck.
I read someone saying Ardie is this rwcs Kaino, that’s pretty high praise
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12269880
Bloody lucky that this stupid rule didn't cost us the game
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