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I could live with one of the Lockwood designs but I don't think I will vote to change it based on the options, though I was/am in favour of changing it.
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<p>At dads funeral as a returned serviceman they his coffin looking like this</p>
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<p>I can't picture the Koru or the black fern flag in the same situation, it'd be a safe bet on the flag we have now winning and the people who have whined throughout moaning about what a waste of money the whole thing was. </p> -
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<p>pretty easy to criticise the process, but i dont see any better ideas on how it could have been done (to appease everyone...) being put forward...maybe you change the people selecting, but you will still draw the same criticisms of them from some corners.</p>
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<p>The problem is with so many options and "new" designs people are going to be completely scattered around in what they want (if any at all).</p>
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<p>The only way the flag would be changed is with something New Zealanders already relate to and that is a black flag with a fern on it. Thats it. I am not saying that should be the flag I am just saying that no johnny come lately design flag is going to ursurp the one we have had since our country was born.</p> -
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<p>I can't picture the Koru or the black fern flag in the same situation...</p>
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<p>I've seen letters to the editors at big city dailies and small town weeklies in the 1960s, when memories about war were still fresh in Canada saying exactly the same thing. Always about the service men, the new flag is a disgrace that dishonours the sacrifices, the fallen, those who "died for the flag," etc. Most of 'em got over it, or passed away, and a new generation has little-or-no idea what the fuss was about.</p> -
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<p>The problem is with so many options and "new" designs people are going to be completely scattered around in what they want (if any at all).</p>
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<p>The only way the flag would be changed is with something New Zealanders already relate to and that is a black flag with a fern on it. Thats it. I am not saying that should be the flag I am just saying that no johnny come lately design flag is going to ursurp the one we have had since our country was born.</p>
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<p>Bad news for you then, as we have had 3 flags, and the current one is NOT the one we have had since our country was born.</p> -
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I've seen letters to the editors at big city dailies and small town weeklies in the 1960s, when memories about war were still fresh in Canada saying exactly the same thing. Always about the service men, the new flag is a disgrace that dishonours the sacrifices, the fallen, those who "died for the flag," etc. Most of 'em got over it, or passed away, and a new generation has little-or-no idea what the fuss was about.</p></blockquote>
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Bad news for you then, as we have had 3 flags, and the current one is NOT the one we have had since our country was born.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="513711" data-time="1441508622"><p>Bad news for you then, as we have had 3 flags, and the current one is NOT the one we have had since our country was born.</p></blockquote>
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Congratulations BSG on completely missing the point of my post, preferring to nitpick to try and make yourself look superior.<br><br>
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<p>Congratulations BSG on completely missing the point of my post, preferring to nitpick to try and make yourself look superior.<br><br>
The current flag is the incumbent, no flag that was just designed yesterday which barely anyone can relate to and has zero meaning is going to replace it.</p>
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<p>You had a point? My bad. I thought when you said that '<span>I am just saying that no johnny come lately design flag is going to usurp the one we have had since our country was born." you meant </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">'</span><span>I am just saying that no johnny come lately design flag is going to usurp the one we have had since our country was born.'</span></p>
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<p><span>Which is clear;y a nonsense... as the current flag is our 3rd flag... and was a johnny come lately to a flag that was a johnny come lately to the flag that </span><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">we had had since our country was born.</span></p>
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<p>So if you are so against incumbent flags being replaced.. you should hate the current flag.. as it replaced an incumbent.</p>
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<p>I am sorry if you think me taking your post at its word and pointing out that it was full of shite makes me look superior.</p> -
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<p>I am for the flag change. But no majority is going to pick one of these over our current flag.<br><br>
How were the last 2 flags choosen? Referendum?<br><br>
Feel free to continue with you pendatic replies though.</p>
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<p>Pedantic? Sheesh... you based your post around the fact you thought it was our first flag!</p>
<p>No referendums were not held for the first 2. The current one was chosen by a designer in Aus. The govt of the day asked him to design a flag.. he went ok... he designed one.... got paid..... the NZ govt went.. alright... then a few years later the Aussies basically copied it byt using the same designer...</p>
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<p>I think if Key just outsourced the flag to a designer in Aus and then rubber stamped it... the electorate would have a hissy fit,</p> -
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<p>pretty easy to criticise the process, but i dont see any better ideas on how it could have been done (to appease everyone...) being put forward...maybe you change the people selecting, but you will still draw the same criticisms of them from some corners.</p>
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<p>But changing the people selecting to qualified people would make a big difference</p>
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<p>Its like selecting AB coaches who have never coached a rugby team except maybe a school side for a few weeks when no one knows how the side got on in terms of outcome. Only a fool would do this and yet that's what Key's and Co seem to have done with this flag selection process. With a fairly predictable outcome.</p> -
<p>that is a bollocks analogy! </p>
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<p>There are no bloody 'flag pickers' already out there working, or if there are, I need to get in on that gig!</p> -
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<p>that is a bollocks analogy! </p>
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<p>There are no bloody 'flag pickers' already out there working, or if there are, I need to get in on that gig!</p>
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<p>Is this correct?</p>
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<p>I think it is based on the final 4 selected (they are poor). And if it is my analogy is a good one. Its like picking a unqualified selection of NZers to pick the AB's. Most who don't know the first thing about rugby but did well at law or farming or an field that has no relevance at all to sport or rugby.</p>
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<p><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11507494" title="External link">http://www.nzherald....jectid=11507494</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">The lack of any actual designer or graphic artist on the flag panel is annoying in a bang-your-head-on-the-wall sort of way. Don't blame the panel themselves, blame the MPs that selected them. As someone annoyingly wiser than me has pointed out, just imagine a panel tasked to select alternative national anthems without a single musician.
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<p>And looking again at the final 39 there are some good one</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/'>https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/</a></p>
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<p>For me the best fern was the Lockwood blue and black like the red and black flag in the final 39 but a darker blue replacing the Red in the top left</p>
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<p>The Red Peak of course</p>
<p>Huihui but with a black section equal to the red at the bottom</p>
<p>Finding unity (but with the flag attached to the black end)</p>
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<p>But I'm no designer (although my current job does involve a small aspect of this) but I know what works and what doesn't. And the final 4 are not good</p> -
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<p>Red Peak loooks good on social media but not so great in TR's post.</p>
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<p>I really want to change our current colonial hangover but the shortlisted 4 all suck</p>
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<p>So the only way forward if the top 4 stay the same is to vote for the status quo. That's the trouble, if you ask the wrong questions you get the wrong answer</p> -
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<p>I know it might be unfashionable to rail against Red Peak, but I think it's shit and doesn't make me think "New Zealand" at all. </p>
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<p>But it will over time. One explanation is provided above. Heres anothe rone</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://rowansimpson.com/2015/09/02/dear-john/'>http://rowansimpson.com/2015/09/02/dear-john/</a></p>
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<p>And the colors are right. Black and white are essential with black prominent when the flag is hung. And red and blue should be there as well so it ticks the color box 100%</p>
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<p>But the Key is it looks the part and also fits in well with other world flags. The top 4 don't</p> -
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<p>Red Peak loooks good on social media but not so great in TR's post.</p>
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<p>I really want to change our current colonial hangover but the shortlisted 4 all suck</p>
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<p>The mountain etc post?</p>
