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taniwharugby

but do you 'hate' Key...I am sure you have seen some of the stuff on Social Media/Comments sections, it is disgraceful TBH, so many articles (about any other topic) that get published, you only need scroll down the list before someone mentions their hate for Key or that it is somehow his fault (easy to spot the ones who are doing it as a joke because it has almost become a bit of a joke) regardless of the article!
 
Plenty have said it should have been Yea/nah to start with, rather than this way; but IMO that wouldn't work because if given that option, with no alternative up front, people will stick with the status quo, then there would be the conspiracy theorists who would say that if they vote yea a flag was ready and waiting to be raised, without due process, even if they thought a change was good.
 
I cant see how it could have been done much different TBH.

Sneakdefreak

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sadly there is a section of the NZ public that are probably not quite mature enough to have a discussion about changing the flag
 
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Heh.

jegga

Compared to his competition Key looks pretty good which probably says more about his competition than him. Some of the hate he generates is bizarre though , I can understand it with someone like Judith Collins who likes to generate controversy but Key is innoffensive and fairly bland . So far this year his haters have accused him if getting Campbell fired because he was asking too many " hard" questions, the time he could have had Key on the ropes - over the GCSB he failed miserably and now he is actually employed by the govt . Loons 
Anyway the loons have some similarly bizarre conspiracy theories about the flag <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/71661495/flag-change-three-conspiracy-theories'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/the-flag-debate/71661495/flag-change-three-conspiracy-theories</a>

Rembrandt

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To be honest I can kind of see where Winger is coming from. I can't really comment on how good the panel was, but at the end of the day the final 4 designs are pretty uninspiring. Changing the flag is something you only want to do once, so you want to do it right. I can see myself voting against changing it on the basis that we can try again down the track and hopefully get some better alternatives.
 
I see the NZRU was blocking the use of their trademarked Silver Fern - <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11507004'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11507004</a>
 
This part of the article probably answers JC's question about copyrighting if one of Kyle's flags wins:
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I too am disappointed, although I certainly identify more with a couple of these flags more than the current one I'm not sure it is enough to make me vote for a change. The thing with a change is that barring some unfortunate military takeover it will be permanent whereas if we keep the same flag then we'll not doubt get another option to change in 20 years or so.
 
I can only assume that all the frothy-mouthed this-costs-too-much flag change haters will definitely vote for change in order to avoid another referendum in 20 years time...just like when the TPPA situation is sorted the tin-foil-hat-brigade will no doubt say they are ready to contemplate change now that the single issue that they can concentrate at a time is sorted.
 
I hope like hell these idiots are just a very vocal minority because if they are not then fuck this shit I'm moving back to the UK!

Rembrandt

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I see the NZRU was blocking the use of their trademarked Silver Fern - <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11507004'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11507004</a>
 
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My preference was the silverfern on black but a part of me was thinking it was looking like the poor cousin to the much more stylish AB silverfern.

Baron Silas Greenback

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I can see myself voting against changing it on the basis that we can try again down the track and hopefully get some better alternatives.
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You would be waiting decades.
I find it pathetic that parties that actually had a flag referendum as policy in the last election... Labour... are now saying it is a bad idea.

jegga

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You would be waiting decades.
I find it pathetic that parties that actually had a flag referendum as policy in the last election... Labour... are now saying it is a bad idea.
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Or their former leader who had 9 years to raise the refugee quota and didn't saying we should do it now.

taniwharugby

now it would 'appear' the ABs are not supposed to comment on the issue...which if is the case, is a joke, this is a major issue affecting all NZers, so if asked, they should be allowed ot express thier opinion, one side should not be afraid of sports peoples opinions will sway public opinion...
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71714192/all-blacks-must-stay-mum-on-their-flag-favourites'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71714192/all-blacks-must-stay-mum-on-their-flag-favourites</a>
 
I really must stop replying to the drones on social media when they post absolute shite! The irony of people on FB expressing thier opinion about how the ABs should not express thiers....

No Quarter

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="513189" data-time="1441258276">You would be waiting decades. 
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Let me put it this way: I am in favour of changing the flag, but not in favour of changing it to something that doesn't work. For me, 3 of the 4 options are too complicated, and the silver ferns look like feathers (badly designed). The other is black and white and just looks like a wave. 
If they are the best options we have, then we need to go back to the drawing board.

Donsteppa

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="513190" data-time="1441258470">Or their former leader who had 9 years to raise the refugee quota and didn't saying we should do it now.</blockquote>
 
Whatever the rights or wrongs of decisions made (then and now), hearing that line often feels like the political equivalent of a "we're crap but you're worse" chant.

jegga

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Whatever the rights or wrongs of decisions made (then and now), hearing that line often feels like the political equivalent of a "we're crap but you're worse" chant.</blockquote>
 
They are equally crap IMHO, I was actually surprised to see she didn't raise the quota when labour were in power after she stepped up and took about 150 of the Tampa boat people which I thought at the time was a decent decision . Personally I think Europe helped create this mess and they can deal with it .

Winger

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I not an Australian. But I like the green and yellow options I have seen. Esp the boomerang

red terror

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The other is black and white and just looks like a wave.
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It's not a terrible design, but imo the black should be replaced with a strong green.

Bones

Not sure if this has been posted but on quick reading seemed quite reasonable... <a class="bbc_url" href="http://rowansimpson.com/2015/09/02/dear-john/">http://rowansimpson.com/2015/09/02/dear-john/</a> <img src="https://rowan.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/redpeak_in_use.jpg" alt="redpeak_in_use.jpg">

rotated

I actually am coming around to Red Peak. However aesthetically I think the Black and Blue are too similar, it looks brilliant in that mountain shot because the sunlight distorts it so much. Ideally you pain both top parts black - but then you lose the two halves meaning.
 
I don't see how they couldn't have gotten something closer if not better to the NZRU fern. Look at the NZC fern it is pretty close. We are a nation of 4 million and that is the best fern submitted?

Bones

It looks great in that shot IMO, but not sure it's something I could identify with it I saw it flying in a sports crowd, etc.

Hooroo

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You would be waiting decades.
I find it pathetic that parties that actually had a flag referendum as policy in the last election... Labour... are now saying it is a bad idea.
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Is there a way you can proove that? I need to show someone that as they are banging on about it being Key's vanity project.

dogmeat

On radio this morning the guy that designed the nzru fern has offered to redesign the ones on offer

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="513257" data-time="1441294226">Not sure if this has been posted but on quick reading seemed quite reasonable... <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://rowansimpson.com/2015/09/02/dear-john/'>http://rowansimpson.com/2015/09/02/dear-john/</a> <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://rowan.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/redpeak_in_use.jpg'>image</a></blockquote> Thanks for that. It's been my primary dislike of many of the options presented that they're all too busy. Good design is often simple and that example would be unique. I'd go for a greater difference between the blue and black.

Kirwan

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Thanks for that. It's been my primary dislike of many of the options presented that they're all too busy. Good design is often simple and that example would be unique. I'd go for a greater difference between the blue and black.
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I really like that too.
 
My son was asking about why we are changing, and also pointed out that the new ones would be hard to draw. Flags should be simple, they make great points.

The Silver Fern

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