SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares
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@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Hooroo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
I hope the Jags play better in two weeks or the Weakened ABs will destroy them.
Reminder that Jaguares a club side playing Super Rugby
Don;t be a moron and assume they'll be the same under Los Pumas with a near dozen new players Different coaching staff and playing style
They won't
But I understand it;s easy to fall for the Phil Kearns line Easy to parrot talking points blindly
You’re only missing the national anthem before kick off during super rugby to Tie it all together nicely.
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@ACT-Crusader said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
I would have supported the Jaguares today if not for you. I doubt I’m alone.
I would’ve supported the Jags if they were playing an Aussie team or South African side or the Chiefs
In that case... can we have our coach back then? I’d like to see a breakdance at Tauranga Domain...
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@Siam said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
And once again, finals experience is a major difference.
Committed defence, a gun kicking game and actually all things considered a pretty comfortable win with it all wrapped up with 10 minutes to go.
No where near as competitive or captivating as the canes semi final.
Once again home advantage is also a major difference. I think every play-off game this year was won by the home team?
Past few years there has been a slight bucking of the trend that it's beyond difficult to win a play-off game outside your country, with the slanted competition structure meaning some significantly stronger NZ teams have had to travel to Oz/SA and have won.
Jags would have been tough to beat in BA, but they largely lost this final in the first month or so of the competition.
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@Chris-B The Chiefs almost rolled the Jaguares in the quarter final. And NZ teams in general have not struggled in Argentina.
So I don't think shifting venues would have made much difference.
Home teams tend to win the play off games because they are the better teams.
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@Chester-Draws said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Home teams tend to win the play off games because they are the better teams.
Yep - that's certainly part of the equation - or, at least, it's supposed to be.
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@Siam said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
And once again, finals experience is a major difference.
Committed defence, a gun kicking game and actually all things considered a pretty comfortable win with it all wrapped up with 10 minutes to go.
No where near as competitive or captivating as the canes semi final.
That's because that was the best team vs the second best, not the best team vs a team there because of broadcasting deals in SA (tho it didn't work out too well for SA this year!)
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Piling in quite late to this.
You guys are are a bit sensitive to @Jaguares4real . He may be over=egging slightly, but that Jags side can go home feeling like they gave that a real crack. Some magic back play, the lines in midfield were amazing; they found space against a really good Crusaders defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.
It was a cracking game of rugby, not expansive, but really tasty to watch. As always, fine margins; the scoreline most certainly did not reflect the intensity or evenness of the game. All the one eyed cantabs crowing about 'look at the scoreboard' are not showing an ounce of respect to a good opponent. By that logic, 2007 France and 2017 Lions were the better side, and deserved everything they got.
While another title is impressive, the Canterbury machine may be creaking at the edges a bit. Losing the Mitre 10 final last year to a bunch of colts, losing away to the Tahs, drawing at home against that Saffer side, and then looking vulnerable through the playoffs ... best tight five in the comp by a mile, but outside that it's been looking a bit more average. Well done and all that, but there's some future bits that are worth watching
Will be interesting to see how they cope with losing Franks, Whitelock, Todd up front next season. That's a hell of a lot of talent to replace in short order... will keep Razor busy I'm sure.
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Point of order!
I'm not a one eyed Cantab.
As for 2017 Lions. They weren't the better team it was a draw.
As for 2007 France, leaving aside the 16* points gifted to them by the officials, by definition yes they were the better team. By 20-18. Did what they had to do to walk off in front.
And you're right. It was a great game of footy. Most enjoyable.
Hairy Worries were good. Saders were better.
*think it was 16 by my reckoning, 3 penalties either awarded or not awarded, plus that try with two forward passes. My anger must have diminished post 11 & 15 as it's not so clear and glaring in my mind anymore.
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@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@nzzp please pipe down, a non Argentinian is educating NZ fans about the Argentinian mindset. It's gas.
Also that the better team usually loses Rugby games, it doesn't matter cos they're mostly all friendlies anyway and it's ok to beat your wife cos lots of people in other professions do it.
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@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@nzzp please pipe down, a non Argentinian is educating NZ fans about the Argentinian mindset. It's gas.
Also that the better team usually loses Rugby games, it doesn't matter cos they're mostly all friendlies anyway and it's ok to beat your wife cos lots of people in other professions do it.
What, no mention of Phil Kearns? Nor a long list of ambiguous, newly discovered emoji? Disappointing.
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@MN5 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@nzzp please pipe down, a non Argentinian is educating NZ fans about the Argentinian mindset. It's gas.
Also that the better team usually loses Rugby games, it doesn't matter cos they're mostly all friendlies anyway and it's ok to beat your wife cos lots of people in other professions do it.
Woah, that went dark very quickly 😧
Edit ... that previously unused emoji is for your benefit @Bones
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@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
e pipe down, a non Argentinia
Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game
I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis
Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase
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@Chester-Draws said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Chris-B The Chiefs almost rolled the Jaguares in the quarter final. And NZ teams in general have not struggled in Argentina.
So I don't think shifting venues would have made much difference.
Home teams tend to win the play off games because they are the better teams.
Unless they are from Australia
Or south Africa
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@nzzp said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Piling in quite late to this.
You guys are are a bit sensitive to @Jaguares4real . He may be over=egging slightly, but that Jags side can go home feeling like they gave that a real crack. Some magic back play, the lines in midfield were amazing; they found space against a really good Crusaders defence. Looked creative and hard working, they have a bright future.
It was a cracking game of rugby, not expansive, but really tasty to watch. As always, fine margins; the scoreline most certainly did not reflect the intensity or evenness of the game.
Will be interesting to see how they cope with losing Franks, Whitelock, Todd up front next season. That's a hell of a lot of talent to replace in short order...
You're wasting your time with the more myopic guys on the thread The Cantab crew & their cheerleaders struggle with nuance at times and like to look at the final score
Crusaders pack will be much weaker next year but their backline has a good age profile
They will be formidable next year but this likely the peak of the Crusaders for a while
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@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
look at the final score
generally a good indicator to find the winner!
The Jaguares played well, and were deserving of thier spot and can be proud of the gains they have made the past few years, but they were found wanting, as I said earlier, possibly lacking a bit of big game experience, no shame in that, they will be the better for it.
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@Jaguares4real maybe not as weak as some think they have recruited very well for 2020
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@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Bones said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
e pipe down, a non Argentinia
Of course it's impossible to learn anything from interactions with ARG fans, players, journalist, media and studying the game
I'll leave it a glib no nothing Kiwi to provide some sound impartial analysis
Knowledge is power, I suggest you embrace the phrase
I suggest you embrace comprehension, spelling and grammar.
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I think this game again showed the blue print for shutting down the ABs that Gatland and his British Lions used pretty successfully. They employed a very good rush defence and as well as doing everything in their power to disrupt turn over ball.
The Crusaders only really had one try scoring opportunity and they took it. The same can't be said of the Argies and they will be disappointed. A better team would have capitalised on their opportunities last night and that is what worries me come the World Cup. NZ teams still do not handle the rush defence coupled with having turn over ball disrupted/slowed down. It is painfully obvious.
