CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England
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jesus the English are polite. Could you imagine what would have happened to that guy in Australia?
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@No-Quarter said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
I went to bed after Kane got out.
To come to the defense of the Caps a little bit, Nicholls was given out LBW when it was missing (why didn't he review? Didn't look out live), Guppy was strangled down the leg side, and Kane was runout by a tin-arse finger tip right when he was building a partnership with Rosco. Those were pretty unlucky dismissals and basically killed our run chase before it started.
To go back to the sky falling in
the first two dismissals come from one guy lacking in match play not reading it, and Guppy seeing it like a marble (TM @Mokey) both for his own dismissal and in not suggesting a review. -
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@Siam said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
I think we're underestimating Mccullum leadership. No disrespect to kane but the 2015 team was similarly talented but baz had them thinking they were world beaters.
This team is quite meek
Kane is definitely more passive. Whereas mccullum was a swashbuckler
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@canefan just listening to baz in the commentary, stay in the over, walk tall,(guppy) show your leadership, ( timmy) etc.
Little things sure but hopefully we've all played sport with different captains. The best ones make you feel better than you are and that translates in performance.
That non review of Nicholls was a symptom of a lack of surety and boldness. Looked well high in real time.
But overall, fuck those guys! A world cup, the pinnacle of your work and it looks like many have just phoned it in. Boult being furious throughout is another symptom.
As for the fucken women! Despite this inclusive nonsense, there's a time for a focussed work stint of 6 weeks once every 4 fucking years isn't there? Holiday afterwards?
Don't mind being narrowly outplayed in a game but jesus, show something at the big dance
Not happy
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@canefan said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
@Siam said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
I think we're underestimating Mccullum leadership. No disrespect to kane but the 2015 team was similarly talented but baz had them thinking they were world beaters.
This team is quite meek
Kane is definitely more passive. Whereas mccullum was a swashbuckler
Best players don’t always make the best captains. The burden certainly hasn’t effected his form personally though.
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@Siam said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
Must say I think kane is a good skipper, and his performance in all matters has been exemplary.
Maybe not though? I mean he’s first name down as a player but does this gloss over the fact he’s not that good?
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Does anyone have any general insight into Stead's character type? McCullum and Hesson seemed be be perfect foils for each other as a captain and coaching duo. I only have a vague impression of Stead from what I remember of his playing days tho.
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We have so many batting weak spots that only a miracle can save us:
- Guptill out of form
- Munro who was never good enough at this level
- Latham out of form
- de Grandhomme whose strike rate is low
In both the batting and bowling we have not rotated so injuries or form have left us with players coming in cold.
We seem to lack aggression in our game plans - Coaching or Captaincy?
Watched Southee last night and he was short a trot. But I think his role should be changed. The white balls don’t swing any more and he is not fast enough to take wickets with aggressive bowling on roads. The runs he concedes come from his bouncers or variations. Get back to bowling good lengths, one side of the wicket, the odd slower ball and yorkers. His last 3 overs were pretty good - with his last over, particularly good and full of accurate yorkers. He has been a fabulous bowler, just think the tactics for him at this stage of his career are wrong.
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Kane is a super calm, quiet captain who absolutely leads from the front. Which would be great if his senior players didn't keep letting him down. This tournament has been so incredibly frustrating, because so often it's been the experienced guys who have been shit. Guptill, Latham, glaring at you. Munro is a stopgap opener. Nicholls was managed VERY poorly. Blundell never even got a chance with the gloves or bat, despite Latham being average. The stat of us having the lowest runs by the openers should be a five alarm bell ringer.
In all honesty, Kane and Neesham have been the standouts. Honourable mention to Lockie. Boult on occasion, but he has been a lot quieter this CWC than I was expecting. One other aspect that has sucked, has been our fielding. In the past we had far less talent, but we boxed above our weight because we were absolute tigers in the field. We took the catches. Saved the runs. Smashed the stumps. Yes some chances have been tough, but fark we've missed some sitters as well, and not one or two but LOTS.
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@akan004 said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
Not sure if Stead has any clue. Young hit three centuries against Australia and they didn't pick him, but went with the out of form Munro instead. Sure he had surgery lined up, but that could have been postponed.
Young wasn't able to throw in those games so wasn't fielding. Delaying the surgery wasn't an option.
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@Siam said in CWC Game #9 Black Caps v England:
I think we're underestimating Mccullum leadership. No disrespect to kane but the 2015 team was similarly talented but baz had them thinking they were world beaters.
This team is quite meek
I've always been the first to say that the 2015 side was historically a bit overrated relative to other CWC teams - but there is no way this side is anywhere as good as 2015 especially with the ball.
Boult is a shade off what he was. Southee is a shell of himself (Henry is not an adequate replacement), Vettori while not at his peak was a reliable spin option whose batting balanced the order. Ferguson is outperforming Milne as first change slightly. If Boult takes tap early Kane's only positive option is Ferguson and after that he has nothing. He doesn't even have a Harris/Larsen type who can at least tie up an end somewhat. McCullum could get to about the 20 over mark getting smashed as a fielding captain before exhausting his options whereas Kane would be done after Santner goes for 15 in the 9th over.
With the bat I would say we a slightly lower level level but different - if we got any production at all out of the Munro/Nicholls spot this summer I would say even with.
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@Donsteppa I kinda get it. Fuck the cricket, it's been a bit shit. Why not ignore it for a few days and just roll up for the semi. Everyone knows you get better if you don't train. Besides it's only the world cup.
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