Hurricanes v Blues
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@Stargazer With all the games I've seen Lowe play I just don't get what all the fuss is about. Hopefully he gets more game time, because I would like to see if he can deliver at this level. Kudos to the kid if he does.
All the games you've seen him play? How many is that really?
I've seen Goosen play way more games than Lowe (at all levels as Lowe's been injured pretty frequently) and it took him until mid way this year to reach the hype assigned to him (mostly from @Winger and Grint Nesbitt).
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@Steven-Harris dont worry bro you have the roller coaster ride of watching Northland coming up...
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I'm just dropping into this thread to express my deep frustration and disappointment with the Blues. The back end of the season (last two weeks in particular) have been soul destroying. I feel for Leon and his crew, it's a hard job, and if (when?) we see some success, it's going to be so sweet as a result. Cheap shots aside, any bastard who keeps supporting this lot deserves credit (and possibly their head read).
Stay the course, believe in John, Don and Leon. Good things take time, and this sure as hell is taking its time. Having seen the whole season, there is a foundation there to build on, but mental strength is probably the hardest thing to fix and the thing that is most needed.
If you're playing the Blues right now, you'd back yourself to come back from anywhere. Any farking where, like 24 points in a half of rugby. Fark me, it's tough at the moment.
The thing that really annoys me is we do some good things, followed by unforced errors, mental weakness and tactical ineptitude. The number of unforced errors this year has me tearing my hear out... but that's easier to fix than the fading out of games.
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@nzzp The last 3 weeks have been soul destroying tbh, and the worst thing is, is that we're waiting for it to happen in games. I love the side and would rather die before supporting anyone else, but man it's a shit feeling seeing the same thing happen over and over and over again for the past 8 seasons and I don't see it getting better next season either with the massive holes we have in our side and no-one really willing to come and play for us.
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I take back the nice things I said about the Blues earlier in the year. They still suck donkeys balls. They should have mopped up that Canes team.
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The signing of Nonu, even though he’s been one of the Blues best this season, should never of happened. It’s the perfect example of the Blues failing to develop their own players. I’m talking about the Manu, Faiane combo that worked so well. They should have signed Manu, instead of the temporary Nonu and maybe next year they wouldn’t of had a midfield hole.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Blues:
The signing of Nonu, even though he’s been one of the Blues best this season, should never of happened. It’s the perfect example of the Blues failing to develop their own players. I’m talking about the Manu, Faiane combo that worked so well. They should have signed Manu, instead of the temporary Nonu and maybe next year they wouldn’t of had a midfield hole.
Except the spot you are talking about is the one taken by Aumua (from Ta$man). They could have easily signed Manu rather than Aumua and had experience and the future there. It's worth remembering that he's been sitting on his ass most of the season too - a good example of the Blues relying on set combos and not using all of their squad. If I had to focus on one thing this year, that's what I'd be bagging the coaching and administration team for - they had a bunch of players who they hardly used and others who they ran into the ground. They could have easily switched up the loose forward, lock, and midfield combos but chose not to...
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Blues:
The signing of Nonu, even though he’s been one of the Blues best this season, should never of happened. It’s the perfect example of the Blues failing to develop their own players. I’m talking about the Manu, Faiane combo that worked so well. They should have signed Manu, instead of the temporary Nonu and maybe next year they wouldn’t of had a midfield hole.
Nonu was a good signing to add experience to the squad and with SBW injured he played more minutes than would have been expected. Having experience doesn't have to come instead of youth.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@Canes4life Goosen and Aso have had plenty of opportunities before they started playing well. Particularly Goosen has taken years to become a good player, but at least he got plenty of opportunities. Lowe gets a short run after 4 months on the sideline; only his 2nd cap for the Canes in 3 years. Demanding he's better than guys who've had plenty of game time is hugely unfair and ridiculous. What he needs is stringing games together. Hopefully next year.
I don't know where you (and others) get the idea from that Goosen has taken years to become a good player (its not from carefully watching super rugby). He has always been good. Esp on defense but has always been a good finisher. But he only really got game time from 2017 onwards (hes still only 23). And once he did then became a fairly regular starter. But suffered from injuries during 2018
Here's the details from the Canes website
The former New Zealand Schools and Under-20 rep made his Hurricanes debut against the Reds and scored a try with his first touch after just 14 minutes.
He continue to push for a starting spot and his form near the end of 2017 proved too good for the coaching team to ignore.
His second year with the Hurricanes proved to be a frustrating one as he suffered an ankle injury in the first compeition match against the Bulls. He then fractured his jaw during his comeback match against the Chiefs.
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@Dice said in Hurricanes v Blues:
And here I was thinking, ''Nonu and SBW are back together, the Canes are gonna get cooked''.
The slowest midfield of all NZ super rugby sides? Right now both are playmaking types and need to be partnered with someone with a bit more gas than a Datsun 180
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@Steven-Harris jump on the Canes bandwagon, we have the Blues King in our coaching staff.
Well there should be a bit of room on there given those that jumped off and got on the Chiefs wagon....
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@ACT-Crusader Wasn't being serious. I agree, both shouldn't be played together.
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@ACT-Crusader the Jaguares will smoke the Chiefs.
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It is now obvious how the Blues best forwards can get their hands on some domestic silverware.
Go and play in France:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/113520213/exall-black-jerome-kaino-captains-toulouse-to-french-rugby-glory -
@nzzp I can tolerate the odd handling error or even the odd overthrown line out or the over cooked line kick during general play simply because pressure is being applied by the opposition (sounding more like that halfwit Rod Kafer)
But what I can’t stand is the really dumb shit..
Here’s the list.
A reverse pass to nobody ..!,
A 50/50 offload ,that’s why they are called 50/50 offloads.
Total neglect of a support player with a simple draw and pass.
A drop kick start that does not go 10 metres.
A Goal kicker with kicking average of under 70%
A poor red zone exit
I should throw in poorly directed kick passes.
Running into contact with no support
Running into contact with no support
Thought I would mention the above twice, because that happens a lot,.
What every happened to knowing where the space is and then backing up..
A drop kick off that goes over dead ball line.
A line kick from a penalty that goes dead.
Pulling a maul down after you have been numerous times and you concede a penalty try and loose a player to the bin for 10What’s frustrating about many of these ,with practice and attention to detail many of the above should be a big part of a players skill set.
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I don't now about you guy's but I am sick of seeing the HB's Box kick not many do it well.
Ruru always kicks too deep.Even Hall is starting to do it too much, ok if used as an effective tool as a kick chase for winger, or an exit in some circumstances, but lately it has not been used effectively by most HB's and over done by everyone. -
@Chris IIRC (I may be wrong), it was discussed in 1014 rugby a few weeks ago as a tactical alternative to the first five-eight's kick, to make the game less predictable for opponents. It did make sense, the way they discussed it, but obviously, it will only work if it is executed well.
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@Chris players are becoming so dependable at taking high kicks ,its now starting to become such a low percentage play.
I really like the idea of long kick to grass with a really good line chase..play the game in the opposition half and if they kick back that’s your counter attacking opportunity..
Thought the Blues absolutely killed them selves last night by not finding touch..which would have been the obvious thing to do with a dis functional line out effecting the Canes once Amua had replaced Coles in the hooking role. -
@Steven-Harris Totally agree the percentage of kicks neutralized by players skill sets this year far out way how effective the kicks made have been.
Chiefs have fed off the terrible kicking the last couple of games including the Crusaders to use their counter attacking strengths.
The Australian teams are terrible with their tactical kicking.
