2019 Cricket ODI WC
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
Smith may retire with a test average over 60 which puts him in his own bracket of modern day greats but the cheating shit will ALWAYS be mentioned with him I suspect.
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Greg Chappell wasn't cheating - underarm was well within the bounds of the law. I'm invoking what I call the Ruchie McCaw clause here, so line up and take it in turns to suck it
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Broad edged the ball and didn't walk, so is that the defining moment of his career? Certainly he got the booing of a lifetime from Aussie fans. Overall he'll be remembered for that well behind some of his amazing spells that won Ashes matches.
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If Smith is part of a team that wins this CWC, for some it won't matter. For me, I won't care. He did the crime, did the time. Boo him if you like - I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect his play.
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Plenty of actual fucking cheats out there who didn't get punished, like any Pakistani or Indian home umpire / administration in the 80s and 90s, as well as rugby refs across the globe prior to professionalism
So, overall, I think to remember Chappell and Smith in the same breath has a very slim relationship, but maybe that is the effect of time.
Certainly no kiwi will ever forget underarm.
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
Smith may retire with a test average over 60 which puts him in his own bracket of modern day greats but the cheating shit will ALWAYS be mentioned with him I suspect.
Certainly no kiwi will ever forget underarm.
Fuck no. I won't forget it and I wasn't even born when it happened. That shit gets passed down through the generations.
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@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@KiwiPie said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
On the Donald run out: Harsh to blame him, the ball barely trickled past the stumps at the non-striker's end, sensible to get back in your ground in that case.
On Greg Chappell: He abided by the rules as they were at the time - just as Broad did when he edged one to first slip and didn't walk.
FWIW Broad did not edge it to slip. He got a tickle to the keeper who dumped the catch which was scooped up by slip.
Twas no tickle - it glanced off the keeper's glove but was still a think old edge (yes I just watched it again!)
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
Smith may retire with a test average over 60 which puts him in his own bracket of modern day greats but the cheating shit will ALWAYS be mentioned with him I suspect.
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Greg Chappell wasn't cheating - underarm was well within the bounds of the law. I'm invoking what I call the Ruchie McCaw clause here, so line up and take it in turns to suck it
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Broad edged the ball and didn't walk, so is that the defining moment of his career? Certainly he got the booing of a lifetime from Aussie fans. Overall he'll be remembered for that well behind some of his amazing spells that won Ashes matches.
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If Smith is part of a team that wins this CWC, for some it won't matter. For me, I won't care. He did the crime, did the time. Boo him if you like - I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect his play.
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Plenty of actual fucking cheats out there who didn't get punished, like any Pakistani or Indian home umpire / administration in the 80s and 90s, as well as rugby refs across the globe prior to professionalism
So, overall, I think to remember Chappell and Smith in the same breath has a very slim relationship, but maybe that is the effect of time.
Certainly no kiwi will ever forget underarm.
To be fair and balance out all my Haddin/Watson hate I do have to admit kiwis went waaaaaayyyyyyyyy over the top with the whinging about underarm. Anyone would think we were English.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
To be fair and balance out all my Haddin/Watson hate I do have to admit kiwis went waaaaaayyyyyyyyy over the top with the whinging about underarm. Anyone would think we were English.
@NTA will happily cling to the fact that it was within the rules, but it fell into that beloved but it's just not cricket category
The reaction probably carried on for too long, mostly because it was like shooting fish in a barrel, but it generated some great one-liners at the time...
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@Donsteppa said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
To be fair and balance out all my Haddin/Watson hate I do have to admit kiwis went waaaaaayyyyyyyyy over the top with the whinging about underarm. Anyone would think we were English.
@NTA will happily cling to the fact that it was within the rules, but it fell into that beloved but it's just not cricket category
The reaction probably carried on for too long, mostly because it was like shooting fish in a barrel, but it generated some great one-liners at the time...
Yeah but it’s incredibly tame compared to the blatant cheating of today.
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Smith fucked up by not stamping out the cheating when he caught a sniff of it, and by not playing a straight bat afterwards. But he got shit guidance from Oz cricket alongside his own poor judgement. He's def served his time and I wouldn't boo him... Warner on the other hand...
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@No-Quarter said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Certainly no kiwi will ever forget underarm.
Fuck no. I won't forget it and I wasn't even born when it happened. That shit gets passed down through the generations.
Inbred through the generations
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@canefan said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
Take the Greg Chappell example. The underarm even had PMs from both sides essentially calling him and the team cowards. How is he regarded in Oz and the cricketing world now? I noticed that Pakistani bowler who was banned for two years for being involved in spot betting is back in the team. The comms don't go on about how he is a dirty cheat and the crowd didn't seem to let him have it that I recall. Part of the problem is that he was such a very good player, and so the behaviour coming from him has even harsher repercussions than if he was the young guy that did the deed and had the sugar in his pocket (Bancroft?). I think all of it blows over eventually
Greg Chappell is regarded as a batting legend ( rightfully so ) who also cheated ( again rightfully so ).
Based on that not sure if he's in the Border, S Waugh, Ponting pantheon. @NTA thoughts on this ?
Smith may retire with a test average over 60 which puts him in his own bracket of modern day greats but the cheating shit will ALWAYS be mentioned with him I suspect.
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Greg Chappell wasn't cheating - underarm was well within the bounds of the law. I'm invoking what I call the Ruchie McCaw clause here, so line up and take it in turns to suck it
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Broad edged the ball and didn't walk, so is that the defining moment of his career? Certainly he got the booing of a lifetime from Aussie fans. Overall he'll be remembered for that well behind some of his amazing spells that won Ashes matches.
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If Smith is part of a team that wins this CWC, for some it won't matter. For me, I won't care. He did the crime, did the time. Boo him if you like - I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect his play.
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Plenty of actual fucking cheats out there who didn't get punished, like any Pakistani or Indian home umpire / administration in the 80s and 90s, as well as rugby refs across the globe prior to professionalism
So, overall, I think to remember Chappell and Smith in the same breath has a very slim relationship, but maybe that is the effect of time.
Certainly no kiwi will ever forget underarm.
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
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@KiwiPie said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@booboo said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@KiwiPie said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
On the Donald run out: Harsh to blame him, the ball barely trickled past the stumps at the non-striker's end, sensible to get back in your ground in that case.
On Greg Chappell: He abided by the rules as they were at the time - just as Broad did when he edged one to first slip and didn't walk.
FWIW Broad did not edge it to slip. He got a tickle to the keeper who dumped the catch which was scooped up by slip.
Twas no tickle - it glanced off the keeper's glove but was still a think old edge (yes I just watched it again!)
How about good old Symonds not walking in the 2009ish India Aus New Years test. Steve Bucknor had a shocker - the edge almost went to first slip, and we could hear it in the stand!
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
😉
What a completely wank comment.
I can’t believe I’ve had beers with you as often as I have.
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@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
😉
What a completely wank comment.
I can’t believe I’ve had beers with you as often as I have.
Just sip your ethically-sourced goat's cheese IPA and acknowledge what a great burn that was, princess.
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@MN5 said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
😉
What a completely wank comment.
I can’t believe I’ve had beers with you as often as I have.
Just sip your ethically-sourced goat's cheese IPA and acknowledge what a great burn that was, princess.
5-0.....can’t argue with that.
( Arsehole )
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
😉
What world cups?
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
Sounds similar to our three RWC, and the bitter taste of 17 years of Bledisloe Cup dominance
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@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
Sounds similar to our three RWC, and the bitter taste of 17 years of Bledisloe Cup dominance
Got 2 RWC wins of our own don't forget. Now its gone from 5-zip to 7-3
Want to keep playing?
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@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@nzzp said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@NTA said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
@Siam said in 2019 Cricket ODI WC:
That's the sound of a big glasshouse breaking 😉
Sure it's not the cabinet we keep our 5 CWC trophies in?
Guess you don't know what that sounds like
Sounds similar to our three RWC, and the bitter taste of 17 years of Bledisloe Cup dominance
Got 2 RWC wins of our own don't forget. Now its gone from 5-zip to 7-3
Want to keep playing?
Ah, but adjust for population, and on a per-capita basis, we're pounding you.
See, we can play noble underdog like the best (worst?) of 'em
