Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?
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@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
I feel greatly saddened and wanted to express this. Not sure others feel the same way but....
After almost 38 years of passionate (and i mean passionate) sports following of Rugby, league, cricket and boxing etc I feel we are now watching the death of true competitive sports.
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Politics has fully taken over now.
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Freedom of speech no longer exists
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Money dictates the ruling opinion
This rugby world cup potentially could have a host of world-class athletes sitting on ths sidelines and a lot of people not tuning in because of peoples beliefs. To believe in and to believe not.
The end of true sport is almost here.
Why? Because of politics.
End of the day everyone is different and everyone should be allowed freedom of speech and belief. Whether you agree with their opinions is up to you.
An atheist, a Christian, a Satanist, a Muslim, a capitalist, a socialist should all be welcome to play and all welcome to have their own opinions they can express. We dont have to agree with them.
Isn't that normal life anyhow?
Politics is using sports to enforce cultural identity. The day this was allowed was the day true sports died.
The days of the best playing the best are about to leave us. What we will be left with is an inferior product.
And not true sport.
What we are left with is what we are conditioned to be allowed to watch.
Politics should have no place in sport.
Its not about right or wrong because they are clearly subjective.
Enjoy what true fair sport you have left now because its almost over.
The last 38 years were a pleasure.
Since when did the Politicians get involved in this mess, fuck they ruin everything. They should be at the front of the queue at the gates of hell
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@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@KiwiMurph said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Many would say on form Falou has been the best player in the world the last two seasons. Once again subjective but if he was a kiwi he would be in the All Blacks.
Claims many wallabies will sit out if he is allowed to play on. And rumours starting to circulate that a few pacific island players will sit out the world cup to if he is not allowed to play.
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There's a big difference between being the best player in the world and being in the All Blacks. Even if he was in the All Blacks he wouldn't even be amongst the top 2 outside backs in the team (Rieko, Ben Smith). That's a long way from arguably the best player in the world.
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Claims and rumours do not equal "most likely".
Ben Smith cough cough cough get off the meth.
Ben smith maybe 4 years ago. Falou way ahead of Smith.
Rieko is faster not better than Falou.
Falou all time best try scorer in super rugby.
Who is Falou?
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@Rocky-Rockbottom said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Most interesting thing about this thread is the increasingly creative misspellings of Filua's surname.
I like the Vietnamese one
Pho low
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My formative years were Olympics cold war boycotts, Black African anti NZ boycotts, and apartheid South Africa isolated in our 2 most popular sports.
This is nothing. I don't give a shit if Folau plays or not. I just don't care about this 'controversy '.
Although I would be amused if some plastic Aussies revolted in solidarity, a little sad, but a little amused
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Since most of us (with the exception of that asshole millennial) experienced the amateur era or the transition to the sterile corporate product we now see, I guess it's easy to look back on the past with some nostalgia and long for the olden days. But, there are tens of millions of people who have only witnessed the "modern" world of sports and they seem to be enjoying it. I would say the biggest threat to sport (and certainly and unfortunately in my household) is computer games and those farking iPads.
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I don't think it's sport per se which is becoming ruined, it's just that sport reflects society, business and consumers.
In today's society freedom of speech and the right to hold dissenting opinions seems to have given way to "safe spaces" and the right "not to be offended". The impact on sport is a bit more insidious than the politics-in-sport we've had in the past.
Still, it's bloody funny listening to equalities campaigners tying themselves up in knots arguing transgender athletes are equal in society - but just not on the sportsfield
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Personally, I sometimes wonder if there's just too much sport in the professional era. One reason Lion tours have their magic is they don't happen all that often.
Used to be an avid cricket fan but over the last 5-10 years I've slowly lost interest as there's just too much of it.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Personally, I sometimes wonder if there's just too much sport in the professional era. One reason Lion tours have their magic is they don't happen all that often.
Used to be an avid cricket fan but over the last 5-10 years I've slowly lost interest as there's just too much of it.
I think that has alot to do with it. It used to be great with the clearly defined seasons. Now it's pretty much the entire year with a relatively short break in between. Cricket is absolutely ridiculous.
It's also a shame that we'll probably never see any more crossover athletes.
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In the end money dictates everything. People who yearn for the good old days where sport was in its purest amateur status were likely blind to the inequalities that abounded. You also need to look at the quality of the sports themselves - rugby and cricket are prime examples. The standard of play, fitness, coaching, facilities, match day experience has all improved substantially.
Political interference comes and goes but money is always there. I have two fears surrounding the sports I love and both are money driven. Firstly there is over exposure as mentioned previously. Too much rugby and cricket to extract more money. More is not always more. Secondly is what I think of as the Americanisation of sports. Interfering with the basics of a sport to make it more spectacular and more TV friendly, like the way gridiron has gone over the long years. It is no longer a game of attrition but a game of interrupted plays that are sometimes breathtaking but are artificially put into the game like some form of gambit in a game of athletic chess. To me it seems to be a simplification of the game coupled with and increasing coaching complexity that takes something away from it all.
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@Catogrande said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
In the end money dictates everything. People who yearn for the good old days where sport was in its purest amateur status were likely blind to the inequalities that abounded. You also need to look at the quality of the sports themselves - rugby and cricket are prime examples. The standard of play, fitness, coaching, facilities, match day experience has all improved substantially.
Political interference comes and goes but money is always there. I have two fears surrounding the sports I love and both are money driven. Firstly there is over exposure as mentioned previously. Too much rugby and cricket to extract more money. More is not always more. Secondly is what I think of as the Americanisation of sports. Interfering with the basics of a sport to make it more spectacular and more TV friendly, like the way gridiron has gone over the long years. It is no longer a game of attrition but a game of interrupted plays that are sometimes breathtaking but are artificially put into the game like some form of gambit in a game of athletic chess. To me it seems to be a simplification of the game coupled with and increasing coaching complexity that takes something away from it all.
So possibly the gambling industry will cause the demise of sport as we know it. The increase in gambling in sport has come out of America. Speaking of gamblers, they were not on Fulaus list were they? Maybe I have one vice left that gives me hope.
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@Nevorian said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@Catogrande said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
In the end money dictates everything. People who yearn for the good old days where sport was in its purest amateur status were likely blind to the inequalities that abounded. You also need to look at the quality of the sports themselves - rugby and cricket are prime examples. The standard of play, fitness, coaching, facilities, match day experience has all improved substantially.
Political interference comes and goes but money is always there. I have two fears surrounding the sports I love and both are money driven. Firstly there is over exposure as mentioned previously. Too much rugby and cricket to extract more money. More is not always more. Secondly is what I think of as the Americanisation of sports. Interfering with the basics of a sport to make it more spectacular and more TV friendly, like the way gridiron has gone over the long years. It is no longer a game of attrition but a game of interrupted plays that are sometimes breathtaking but are artificially put into the game like some form of gambit in a game of athletic chess. To me it seems to be a simplification of the game coupled with and increasing coaching complexity that takes something away from it all.
So possibly the gambling industry will cause the demise of sport as we know it. The increase in gambling in sport has come out of America. Speaking of gamblers, they were not on Fulaus list were they? Maybe I have one vice left that gives me hope.
Liked for the increasing complexity of spelling options.
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@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
I feel greatly saddened and wanted to express this. Not sure others feel the same way but....
After almost 38 years of passionate (and i mean passionate) sports following of Rugby, league, cricket and boxing etc I feel we are now watching the death of true competitive sports.
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Politics has fully taken over now.
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Freedom of speech no longer exists
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Money dictates the ruling opinion
Politics has NOT fully taken over - Massive overstatement.
Freedom of speech still exists - anyone (in most countries) - anyone is free to say anything. What happens as a consequence is the debated point
Money DOES NOT dictate the ruling opinion. Opinion dictates the ruling opinion and public opinion influences monetary decisions.
If you want to abandon watching sport because a top player decides that his right to expound views that are at odds with the majority should over ride the ability of his employer to earn the money that pays him then off you go.
This comes down to Folau's decisions. He himself has stated that if his employment is unsustainable due to his wish to air his personal beliefs then he will walk away.
No one forces him to air his views, he does that by his own decision. No one is stopping him from doing something that he has to do or be a hypocrite. He can believe whatever he likes and decide how and what he wants to fit within his beliefs (eg he is happy to play on Sundays).
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@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
I feel greatly saddened and wanted to express this. Not sure others feel the same way but....
After almost 38 years of passionate (and i mean passionate) sports following of Rugby, league, cricket and boxing etc I feel we are now watching the death of true competitive sports.
-
Politics has fully taken over now.
-
Freedom of speech no longer exists
-
Money dictates the ruling opinion
This rugby world cup potentially could have a host of world-class athletes sitting on ths sidelines and a lot of people not tuning in because of peoples beliefs. To believe in and to believe not.
The end of true sport is almost here.
Why? Because of politics.
End of the day everyone is different and everyone should be allowed freedom of speech and belief. Whether you agree with their opinions is up to you.
An atheist, a Christian, a Satanist, a Muslim, a capitalist, a socialist should all be welcome to play and all welcome to have their own opinions they can express. We dont have to agree with them.
Isn't that normal life anyhow?
Politics is using sports to enforce cultural identity. The day this was allowed was the day true sports died.
The days of the best playing the best are about to leave us. What we will be left with is an inferior product.
And not true sport.
What we are left with is what we are conditioned to be allowed to watch.
Politics should have no place in sport.
Its not about right or wrong because they are clearly subjective.
Enjoy what true fair sport you have left now because its almost over.
The last 38 years were a pleasure.
Hysterical post. And a ridiculous one. "Politics" has nothing to do with the way Israel Folau is being sanctioned by Rugby Australia. I'm very happy to watch a sport where bigotry and prejudice are not tolerated.
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@Cantab79 said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@NightmareHitter said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
I feel greatly saddened and wanted to express this. Not sure others feel the same way but....
After almost 38 years of passionate (and i mean passionate) sports following of Rugby, league, cricket and boxing etc I feel we are now watching the death of true competitive sports.
-
Politics has fully taken over now.
-
Freedom of speech no longer exists
-
Money dictates the ruling opinion
This rugby world cup potentially could have a host of world-class athletes sitting on ths sidelines and a lot of people not tuning in because of peoples beliefs. To believe in and to believe not.
The end of true sport is almost here.
Why? Because of politics.
End of the day everyone is different and everyone should be allowed freedom of speech and belief. Whether you agree with their opinions is up to you.
An atheist, a Christian, a Satanist, a Muslim, a capitalist, a socialist should all be welcome to play and all welcome to have their own opinions they can express. We dont have to agree with them.
Isn't that normal life anyhow?
Politics is using sports to enforce cultural identity. The day this was allowed was the day true sports died.
The days of the best playing the best are about to leave us. What we will be left with is an inferior product.
And not true sport.
What we are left with is what we are conditioned to be allowed to watch.
Politics should have no place in sport.
Its not about right or wrong because they are clearly subjective.
Enjoy what true fair sport you have left now because its almost over.
The last 38 years were a pleasure.
Hysterical post. And a ridiculous one. "Politics" has nothing to do with the way Israel Folau is being sanctioned by Rugby Australia. I'm very happy to watch a sport where bigotry and prejudice are not tolerated.
I think you'll find its actually spelled Fauleaux .
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@Catogrande said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
The standard of play, fitness, coaching, facilities, match day experience has all improved substantially.
I agree with the coaching and fitness but the match day experience is probably still the same.
As for the standard of play improving, the kicking skills and percentages of older players like Don Clarke or Villepreux with no tee and wet, heavy leather balls was astonishing. (I read once Clarke had a 75% -ish success rate on conversions)
And as for offloads....
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
@Crucial said in Are you watching the death rattle of all authentic sports?:
Freedom of speech still exists - anyone (in most countries) - anyone is free to say anything. What happens as a consequence is the debated point
A society where you can lose your job for legally expressing an opinion is not a society which has freedom of speech.
Sportsmen and woman who express an opinion and speak out for gay rights (rightly) aren't dropped from their teams - but those with an opposite view are.
As you say, sport reflects society.
100% agree. Least somebody on this thread gets it.
Thats a bloody worry.
