2020 All Blacks Squad
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@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.Goodhue played regularly as a second five eight for Northland in the Mitre 10 Cup. I am not as dumb as you think I am.
Yes you are
Until I see Goodhue playing 12 regularly at Super level then he isn't in the mix to play 12 at internationals.
I'm fairly sure that's what @Bones was getting at as well.Crotty and ALB are interchangeable at 12/13. Nonu isn't, nor are SBW and Laumape unless against a minnow team. Goodhue possibly has the ability but not the experience (just like ALB was until injury needs forced the selectors to test him).
If that happens for Goodhue and he proves himself then great but at the moment he is in the AB picture as a 13 that could play 12 if circumstances required -
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
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@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
I know. People get John Hart fever pretty quickly when trying to shoehorn in their favourites.
If Sam Cane comes right for the RWC we can always use Ardie at 12 to get him in the starting XV.
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@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 A
LBChiefFixed
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 A
LBChiefFixed
I'm surprised it wasn't
23 Ennor
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@Crazy-Horse said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
What about that McLeod guy from Canterbury? Never seen him play, but he's bloody good.
This is bullshit rugby chat of MN5 like proportions
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@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
I was genuinely surprised with ALB being in that selection ... and then I remembered he's originally from Christchurch.
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@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
I was genuinely surprised with ALB being in that selection ... and then I remembered he's originally from Christchurch.
Since when has 'from Christchurch' been equal to 'a Cantab'
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@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
I was genuinely surprised with ALB being in that selection ... and then I remembered he's originally from Christchurch.
Since when has 'from Christchurch' been equal to 'a Cantab'
Hey, I was just trying to rationalise it!
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@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial I just don't get why with 12s coming out our ears we would want to see a proven excellent 13 shifted.
Especially when we don’t have a plethora of 13s putting their hand up. If I were selecting for a test next week I’d go
12 Crotty
13 Goodhue23 ALB
How did I know that before you posted it?
Remember the thread is about the All Blacks squad for 2020. I guess Ryan Crotty wouldn't be there anymore. So :
- Laumape / J. Barrett / Havili / Goodhue
- Goodhue / ALB / Ennor
Nankivell put up an outstanding display last week. Let's see if he can keep on performing like that.
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Warren Gatland to return to Waikato as player.
26 years after the playing the last of his 140 games for Waikato, Wales Coach Warren Gatland (55) is eyeing a return to the Mooloo men but not in the role that many expected. "I want to play" said Gatland, "I'm sick to death of watching guys play Hooker for NZ Pro Rugby sides who can't throw straight, can't hook straight and have shit hands. I was watching Ricky Riccitelli and James Parsons play at the weekend and I thought I can do better than that and soon I'll get my chance. I have signed a contract to play for Waikato and NZRU from April 1st 2020"
Asked if he was too old and out of shape for the rigour of professional Rugby, Gatland replied "Nonsense, Brad Thorn was 72 years old when he stopped playing, compared to him I'm a spring chicken. I might be 34 years older than Asafo Aumua, but I'm pleased to announce that I outperformed him in recent fitness tests and unlike him I am able to pass a KFC without ordering five Family Buckets for myself."
As to the extent of ambitions, Warren Gatland is clear: "I want to play Hooker for the All Blacks in 2020. The starter this time. Sitting on the bench and watching Fitzy play all those games got kinda boring in the end. I kept hoping the dirty blighter would get sent off so I could get a Test run-on, but it never happened."
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A flow up article about the status of current ABs:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12218144
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@gt12 From the article.
Angus Ta'avo and Atu Moli are also signed for next year. The front row is well covered.
Hookers Dane Coles - 2021 Codie Taylor - 2021 Props Joe Moody - 2022 Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 2021 Karl Tu'inukuafe - 2021 Nepo Laulala - 2020 Locks Scott Barrett - 2020 Patrick Tuipulotu - 2020 Sam Whitelock - 2020 (if he takes up a one year extension option) Loose forwards Dalton Papalii - 2022 Sam Cane - 2021 Ardie Savea - 2021 Vaea Fifita - 2020 Halfbacks TJ Perenara - 2021 Aaron Smith - 2021 Midfield backs Ngani Laumape - 2021 Anton Lienert-Brown - 2020 Wings Rieko Ioane - 2022 Utilities Damian McKenzie - 2021 -
Assuming the article above is correct, a few names jump out, such as keeping Brodie, and probably Barrett:
Hookers = Good shape
Dane Coles - 2021
Codie Taylor - 2021Props = Good shape
Joe Moody - 2022
Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 2021
Karl Tu'inukuafe - 2021
Nepo Laulala - 2020Locks = worrying without BBBR
Scott Barrett - 2020
Patrick Tuipulotu - 2020
Sam Whitelock - 2020 (if he takes up a one year extension option)Loose forwards = Pretty good as we have Ioane also signed I believe
Dalton Papalii - 2022
Sam Cane - 2021
Ardie Savea - 2021
Vaea Fifita - 2020Halfbacks = Excellent shape
TJ Perenara - 2021
Aaron Smith - 2021First fives = umm, zero? Dmac is rightly a utility. Need a signing here soon - either Mo'unga or Barrett
Midfield backs = OK, but must sign Goodhue
Ngani Laumape - 2021
Anton Lienert-Brown - 2020Wings = this will be fine if we sign Bridge (with others coming)
Rieko Ioane - 2022FB = none, but Dmac is signed and Jordan is coming with Jordie Barrett no doubt to be re-signed
Utilities = pretty good, given Dmac can cover 10/15
Damian McKenzie - 2021 -
Haere ra list (I added Naholo then removed him)
Kieran Read (signed with Toyota Verblitz, Japan)
Owen Franks (signed with Northampton)
Ben Smith (signed with Pau, turned down one year NZR option extension)
Liam Squire (signed with Red Hurricanes, Japan)
Jordan Taufua (signed with Leicester)
Jackson Hemopo (signed with DynaBoars, Japan, for 2020)
Luke Whitelock (signed with Pau)
Nehe Milner-Skudder (signed with Toulon) -
