2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Chester-Draws you watched any chiefs games?
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He doesn't even doesn't even particularly stand out for me for Waikato, let alone the Chiefs.
I know he was the next big thing at age level, but that was then.
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@KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Chester-Draws didn't stop Frizell at the Highlanders.
And raise your hands everyone who thinks that's a good decision.
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@Chester-Draws he didn’t stand out at ITM because he didn’t play...... his brother did
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@Chester-Draws :
Luke Jacobson was captain and blindside flanker of the 2017 U20 ABs. As the 2018 Super Rugby rounds progressed, he was more and more involved and was a regular starter by the end of the season. He looks like a young Liam Messam IMO.
I don't rated his brother who was Waikato's openside flanker during the Mitre 10 Cup. -
I confess I confused the two brothers. I was overseas for the last Super 12 and missed those games. I wasn't hugely impressed with Luke previously when he played for Waikato (although given the disaster that season was, perhaps that wasn't an ideal time for him to shine).
I did watch Liam Messam play as a young man. He had lightening top speed (I remember a commentator mentioning that he wasn't quick for a forward, he was quick full-stop, one of the reasons he was so good at Sevens). But he was light and an openside, as I recall -- he put on a lot of weight and changed sides before he was anywhere near good enough to be an AB. If Jacobson looks like a "young Messam" then he's a few years yet off making the ABs.
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@Chester-Draws said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
I confess I confused the two brothers. I was overseas for the last Super 12 and missed those games. I wasn't hugely impressed with Luke previously when he played for Waikato (although given the disaster that season was, perhaps that wasn't an ideal time for him to shine).
I did watch Liam Messam play as a young man. He had lightening top speed (I remember a commentator mentioning that he wasn't quick for a forward, he was quick full-stop, one of the reasons he was so good at Sevens). But he was light and an openside, as I recall -- he put on a lot of weight and changed sides before he was anywhere near good enough to be an AB. If Jacobson looks like a "young Messam" then he's a few years yet off making the ABs.
Young Messam had about three seasons of arguments about whether he was a loosie or a midfield.
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@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
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@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
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@kiwiinmelb said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
True, but agree with @Crucial's general point.
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Anyone not picking ALB long term in midfield is mentally deficient
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@pakman said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@kiwiinmelb said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Crucial said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
Why do people keep insisting Goodhue is a 12?
Because, just like us backs think 1 and 3 are interchangeable, dumb ex forwards thing 12 and 13 are as well.
As an aside, Nonu showed the other day that in the current game even a small loss of first steps pace through age will be exposed by a younger skilled player in the wider channels.
There was a good reason that Umaga moved from 14 to 13 to 12 as he got older.I always thought Nonu looked far more at home at 12 than 13 , even during his peak ,
Even though he started as a 13
True, but agree with @Crucial's general point.
Definitely , I wasnt disputing that at all , more enforcing it that the positions are different
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So which midfielders will be gone next year?
Proctor is definitely off, and Crotty is supposed to be going? I assume that SBW is gone too.
ALB and Laumape are signed for next year, and Goodhue is likely to stay.
That leaves these players:
1st choice
ALB
Goodhue
LaumapeContenders:
Braydon Ennor
TJ Faiane (size?)
Rob Thompson (solid but what more? hasn't signed yet)
Vince AsoAny more? We have three good players, but not much depth. Is Michael Little worth a look?
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2020, 33 players
Joe Moody, Karl Tuinukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Atu Moli, Tyrel Lomax, Nepo Laulala
Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua
Pat Tuipulotu, Isaia-Walker Leawere, Scott Barrett, Pari-Pari Parkinson
Shanon Frizell, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (if he can), Luke Whitelock, Akira Ioane
Ere Enari, TJ Perenara, Te Toira Tahuriorangi (maybe Aaron Smith ?)
Richie Mo'unga, Damian McKenzie
Ngani Laumape, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue
Rieko Ioane, George Bridge, Will Jordan, Manasa Mataele, David Havili
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@Calabas you could probably add Vince Aso to that equation, can cover 12, 13 and both wings. Would have him ahead of Mataele.
First five looks a major worry
