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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@Hooroo I think it's a bit rich to criticise Nicholas when you look at some of the knobs that commentate here in NZ
I agree. In saying that, a lot of people don't like Simon Doull but I also think he is a good commentator.
Kerry O'Keefe is better for radio as it suits his waffle where it doesn't work so well on TV. Doesn't help that he get's seated with a couple of morons who don't get it
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@booboo said in Aussie Cricket:
Back on topic ...
.. anyone watch how easily India ran down 3-hundy?
9 and a but an over with 12 to go. Kathik and Dhoni never took a risk and ran it down with 4 balls to spare.
The only time it looked like a potential wicket was a near run out on the winning run.
Everything else just no risk, proper cricket. 9s an over with zero risk.
Beautiful to watch.
Another typo ... in case you were wondering what fism is ...
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Just to revert to the commentators for a moment
Nicholas captained Hampshire for a decade or more during their most successful era and also was captain of England A. As @Catogrande said he was very much thought of as in the Brearley mould although a better batsman. He played during the Lamb, Gower, Gatting time. If he's played in a different decade or for a different country (e.g. NZ) he would almost certainly picked up some full caps.
He is / was also highly regarded as a commentator in the early days. I'm sure he won commentator of the year in the UK. I did find him much more palatable in his earlier career. His UK persona seemed more toned down but you know what. Her makes his living from being the host. If his employers want him to be a cheerleader then good luck to him for doing so. He's got a great gig why would he rock the boat.
As for your self-avowed ignorance about other commentators as @booboo said - it really does say it all. While Benaud was an absolute legend having perfected the art of saying very little there are some on that list who are at the very least his equal. Plus as I said above it seems the various Aussie (and others) want partisan ex-players rather than balanced nuance
Nice novel.
He's still a complete dick and his desire to suck up to anything remotely Aussie irks me.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Just to revert to the commentators for a moment
Nicholas captained Hampshire for a decade or more during their most successful era and also was captain of England A. As @Catogrande said he was very much thought of as in the Brearley mould although a better batsman. He played during the Lamb, Gower, Gatting time. If he's played in a different decade or for a different country (e.g. NZ) he would almost certainly picked up some full caps.
He is / was also highly regarded as a commentator in the early days. I'm sure he won commentator of the year in the UK. I did find him much more palatable in his earlier career. His UK persona seemed more toned down but you know what. Her makes his living from being the host. If his employers want him to be a cheerleader then good luck to him for doing so. He's got a great gig why would he rock the boat.
As for your self-avowed ignorance about other commentators as @booboo said - it really does say it all. While Benaud was an absolute legend having perfected the art of saying very little there are some on that list who are at the very least his equal. Plus as I said above it seems the various Aussie (and others) want partisan ex-players rather than balanced nuance
Nice novel.
He's still a complete dick and his desire to suck up to anything remotely Aussie irks me.
Apart from "sucking up to Aussie" why don't you like him? Does he speak too well/eloquently for you or something?
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@Hooroo said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Just to revert to the commentators for a moment
Nicholas captained Hampshire for a decade or more during their most successful era and also was captain of England A. As @Catogrande said he was very much thought of as in the Brearley mould although a better batsman. He played during the Lamb, Gower, Gatting time. If he's played in a different decade or for a different country (e.g. NZ) he would almost certainly picked up some full caps.
He is / was also highly regarded as a commentator in the early days. I'm sure he won commentator of the year in the UK. I did find him much more palatable in his earlier career. His UK persona seemed more toned down but you know what. Her makes his living from being the host. If his employers want him to be a cheerleader then good luck to him for doing so. He's got a great gig why would he rock the boat.
As for your self-avowed ignorance about other commentators as @booboo said - it really does say it all. While Benaud was an absolute legend having perfected the art of saying very little there are some on that list who are at the very least his equal. Plus as I said above it seems the various Aussie (and others) want partisan ex-players rather than balanced nuance
Nice novel.
He's still a complete dick and his desire to suck up to anything remotely Aussie irks me.
Apart from "sucking up to Aussie" why don't you like him? Does he speak too well/eloquently for you or something?
No I dont mind a fellow provided the levels of eloquence and loquaciousness are evenly balanced.
I don't like him just how you don't like Warne ( if I remember rightly )
I think Warne is great.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
@Hooroo said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Just to revert to the commentators for a moment
Nicholas captained Hampshire for a decade or more during their most successful era and also was captain of England A. As @Catogrande said he was very much thought of as in the Brearley mould although a better batsman. He played during the Lamb, Gower, Gatting time. If he's played in a different decade or for a different country (e.g. NZ) he would almost certainly picked up some full caps.
He is / was also highly regarded as a commentator in the early days. I'm sure he won commentator of the year in the UK. I did find him much more palatable in his earlier career. His UK persona seemed more toned down but you know what. Her makes his living from being the host. If his employers want him to be a cheerleader then good luck to him for doing so. He's got a great gig why would he rock the boat.
As for your self-avowed ignorance about other commentators as @booboo said - it really does say it all. While Benaud was an absolute legend having perfected the art of saying very little there are some on that list who are at the very least his equal. Plus as I said above it seems the various Aussie (and others) want partisan ex-players rather than balanced nuance
Nice novel.
He's still a complete dick and his desire to suck up to anything remotely Aussie irks me.
Apart from "sucking up to Aussie" why don't you like him? Does he speak too well/eloquently for you or something?
No I dont mind a fellow provided the levels of eloquence and loquaciousness are evenly balanced.
I don't like him just how you don't like Warne ( if I remember rightly )
I think Warne is great.
No, I'm not the Anti-Warne, I don't think. There are a couple worse than him.
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Waddle and Coney commentating Shell Trophy on the radio will always be my sound of summer.
Cricket stories (mostly) interspersed with irregular moments of cricketing action
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@mariner4life I listen to them quite a bit and really enjoy their work. Wads is a good foil for Coney, and they tell some cracking yarns amongst the cricket. The promo trailers they had of Wads warming up for this season were classic.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Cricket:
Waddle and Coney commentating Shell Trophy on the radio will always be my sound of summer.
Cricket stories (mostly) interspersed with irregular moments of cricketing action
Agree. Driving with them in the background is pretty awesome I must say.
Which kinda contradicts my argument about Nicholas cos as far ask know Waddle was never a player of any note.
But he isn't a wankstain like Nicholas so there you go.
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I reckon people can fuck off with the "haven't played in tests, so can't be a commentator" line.
Test players bring some experience, and it's right to have some. But they also tend to be people who think that what they did was easy -- after all, they could do it. it's better to temper that with people who actually appreciate how difficult it is. Also people who don't regard the players on the field as mates, which rather too many recent players do.
Anyone suggesting only test players should comment -- I expect you to back up Marshall in all AB commentaries, on the basis he's played tests, so obviously knows the rules (!!) and understands play better than anyone else. The US has this right for football -- they employ pairs of commentators to do the main commentary. A voice, who calls the actual run of play, and then an ex-player who talks you through the football aspects of it all. They employ a rules expert who really knows the rules too.
(If you were after people who knew what was going on the inside you wouldn't employ ex-players -- you'd employ ex-coaches.)
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@Chester-Draws said in Aussie Cricket:
I reckon people can fuck off with the "haven't played in tests, so can't be a commentator" line.
Test players bring some experience, and it's right to have some. But they also tend to be people who think that what they did was easy -- after all, they could do it. it's better to temper that with people who actually appreciate how difficult it is. Also people who don't regard the players on the field as mates, which rather too many recent players do.
Anyone suggesting only test players should comment -- I expect you to back up Marshall in all AB commentaries, on the basis he's played tests, so obviously knows the rules (!!) and understands play better than anyone else. The US has this right for football -- they employ pairs of commentators to do the main commentary. A voice, who calls the actual run of play, and then an ex-player who talks you through the football aspects of it all. They employ a rules expert who really knows the rules too.
(If you were after people who knew what was going on the inside you wouldn't employ ex-players -- you'd employ ex-coaches.)
I've already said I'm happy to stand corrected on that and it's Nicholas matey nature with any number of ex Aussie legends that irks me.
They're a real clique, he's just a try hard.
Marshall is so bad that he's funny. He's taken the Mexted ness to unprecedented heights
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Doull and Marshall exemplify the role of the ex-pro in the commentary box. Marshall can pick apart a teams plans from a set piece like no one else I've ever heard, and Doull's insights on bowling techniques is great (he had a great discussion on seam position for bowlers with slingy actions).
But when they're talking general play they're prone to idiotic gaffs and over committing on hunches.
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It's the same in all sports. Ex-pros can provide valuable about what is happening in a game for the players, or what one team is trying to do, based on a wealth of experience.
The problem is 90% of the ex-pros now in broadcasting, no matter what the sport, are completely unable to articulate that insight, and so fall back on a stream of waffle.
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@NTA that shows you genuinely don't know Coney
He also agreed with your crowds about Richard Hadlee (allegedly)
Was a school teacher Married a Silver Fern who dumped him for Smokin Joe Stanley - whereupon Coney decamped to theatre school in UK where I think he still lives.
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@NTA that shows you genuinely don't know Coney
He also agreed with your crowds about Richard Hadlee (allegedly)
Was a school teacher Married a Silver Fern who dumped him for Smokin Joe Stanley - whereupon Coney decamped to theatre school in UK where I think he still lives.
Yeah Coney and Hadlee had some real dust ups as I recall reading. Still, Bradman wasn't exactly liked by his teammates either and compared to the 80s NZ team Hadlee pretty much was Bradman such was the gulf in ability.
Didn't Hadlee win a whole bunch of cars and after selling and splitting the proceeds he kept the last one?
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@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
I've already said I'm happy to stand corrected on that and it's Nicholas matey nature with any number of ex Aussie legends that irks me.
They're a real clique, he's just a try hard.
I understand this criticism. Now 9 doesn't have the cricket it seems it's a thing of the past, though.
Around a decade ago it seems 9 made a conscious decision to pivot to a more blokey, jovial, maaaatey style and Nicholas was forced to play into that. Geoff Lemon summed it up well in his piece a few years ago (a great read if you missed it).
When he is out of that environment (and a few others like Slater, Warne) then they can be quite cerebral and interesting.
