1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs
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@Nepia said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@MN5 I think you despise SBW more than I despise Chris Eaton.
I don't even know who that is.
I don't despise him, on the contrary he comes across as a really decent bloke it's more I despise the free ride he seems to get despite playing like absolute shit.
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@Nepia said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@MN5 He's an ex Magpies halfback who kept getting selected despite better options. Even in SBW's worse injury disrupted seasons he's still a more worthy selection (for their respective teams and levels) than Eaton.
Yeah but who actually cares about Hawkes Bay Rugby
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@MN5 said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Nepia said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@MN5 He's an ex Magpies halfback who kept getting selected despite better options. Even in SBW's worse injury disrupted seasons he's still a more worthy selection (for their respective teams and levels) than Eaton.
Yeah but who actually cares about Hawkes Bay Rugby
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@MN5 said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
Waste of time. It would be an absolute massacre. 2015 go to the bench and bring on BB and SBW. Who do 87 bring on? Bernie McCahill? Making these comparisons is utterly pointless.
The only chance the 87 lot would have is if the 87 "rules" permitting blatant thuggery unsettled the 2015ers. But then again, who wants to fark with Kaino, BBBR, Nonu etc. if given free reign to sort shit out the old-fashioned way.
For some reason the thought of that makes me absolutely piss myself.
Mind you Bernie McCahill with all his limitations, lack of size and current age couldn't have done any worse than 2018 SBW....
Now you've gone and done it...
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Using my crystal ball and adding Strength and Conditioning improvements to the 1987 squad along with experience playing Super Rugby and honing speed playing skills I would see the following..
McDowell
Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock
Jones
McCaw
Shelford
A Smith
Carter
Green
Nonu
C Smith
Kirwan
B SmithDrake
Fitzy
Moody
G Whetton
Kaino
TKB
Fox
BarrettNB: given my concept of the 87 players being trained and experienced to 2015 levels though you would also imagine that Zinny would probably have surpassed Buck and a loosie combo of McCaw, Jones and Zinny would be terrifying.
Craig Green probably the biggest guess there but I have added him as a likely massive improver under modern training/coaching. The added advantage of being an ex mid fielder turned winger provides parallels with Kahui.
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@Bones said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Crucial Not tempted to throw Gallagher in there over Fox/BB?
Sure am, but happy to assume that Fox would be a pretty awesome modern player with a little more size, some defence and the others around him. His game reading and game management are too good to ignore (and I am assuming that the starting team won't need heroics to finish the game). Also (as mentioned by others, he is preferable as an injury replacement)
Gallagher would (IMO) probably be a Ben Smith type clone in the modern age and be equally good but for the makeup of the 23 I like BB on the bench. -
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@Crucial said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
Just looking at that XV of mine and I realised that otherworldly gods aside, I think they all played provincial rugby for one of Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch or Otago.
Only TKB on the bench not from those sides either.
Fuck Right Off - you philistine
McDowell
Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock
Jones
McCaw
Shelford
A Smith
Carter
Green
Nonu
C Smith
Kirwan
B Smith -
@dogmeat said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Crucial said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
Just looking at that XV of mine and I realised that otherworldly gods aside, I think they all played provincial rugby for one of Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch or Otago.
Only TKB on the bench not from those sides either.
Fuck Right Off - you philistine
McDowell
Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock
Jones
McCaw
Shelford
A Smith
Carter
Green
Nonu
C Smith
Kirwan
B SmithAhem.
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@Bones said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@dogmeat said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Crucial said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
Just looking at that XV of mine and I realised that otherworldly gods aside, I think they all played provincial rugby for one of Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch or Otago.
Only TKB on the bench not from those sides either.
Fuck Right Off - you philistine
McDowell
Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock
Jones
McCaw
Shelford
A Smith
Carter
Green
Nonu
C Smith
Kirwan
B SmithAhem, ahem.
Although, regarding Buck, he did play provincial rugby for Auckland.
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@Nepia said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Bones said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@dogmeat said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Crucial said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
Just looking at that XV of mine and I realised that otherworldly gods aside, I think they all played provincial rugby for one of Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch or Otago.
Only TKB on the bench not from those sides either.
Fuck Right Off - you philistine
McDowell
Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock
Jones
McCaw
Shelford
A Smith
Carter
Green
Nonu
C Smith
Kirwan
B SmithAhem, ahem.
Although, regarding Buck, he did play provincial rugby for Auckland.
...'otherworldly gods aside'
but yes, slipped up on Afterdavid
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@Nepia said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Crucial Haha, my bad, I didn’t read your original discussion about it and just joined in the kicking.
Plus I didn't want to highlight that his provincial heritage is dodgy
(he is forgiven as he was only biding time at both Bays while his place was being readied) -
@Crucial said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Nepia said in 1987 ABs vs 2015 ABs:
@Crucial Haha, my bad, I didn’t read your original discussion about it and just joined in the kicking.
Plus I didn't want to highlight that his provincial heritage is dodgy
(he is forgiven as he was only biding time at both Bays while his place was being readied)I think you’ll find the only provincial team he has played for is the Bay and his current ‘place’ is in the Bay. He just travels up to the Tron for his rugby.
