Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo Maybe. The Irish didn't really look any more tired than we did.
I was thinking that as I was writing that....
The last two games we have played have been un All Black like. I think I am playing into the powder dry theory. I'm happy to be blissfully ignorant too....
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@kiwimurph again, I think both our 9s are guilty of watching the ref and flapping thier arms about trying to attract a penalty, I recall both players were doing this at least 1 time each, and then the Irish picked and ran at them, in both instances both players took a longer moment to respond than they should had they been watching the play.
Winds me up.
I think the powder dry thing is one way of looking at it, but is more so that if they get whatever they are trying to achieve correct, then maybe it is a new style others wont have had a chance to build a good defence for yet?
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@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
Less clear, if anything!
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Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
There's a possibility that it stretches defences for a second man play. If you don't know under pressure if our 10 is going to slot a DG or run it, it opens up space on the field.
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@derm-mccrum said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anyone got an aspirin?
I recommend ibuprofen and ranitidine
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@nzzp if they know he wont take a DG they dont need to defend it and simply fan out to defend the run, but now they know he can do it, it will make them set up slightly different when in that zone.
Had we won, I dont expect this would have attracted as much debate.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
With 15 to go , I honestly thought here we go , we will run over the top of them , we started to get some ball ,
and its become so customary , you almost take it for granted ,Credit to ireland , they are more composed under pressure than any opposition I can think of for some time , they made us look like the panic merchants , which is something we usually do to Australia
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
worst part is if Hansen's ego leads to him digging his heels in re;selections/positions, reducing us to just hoping the failures somehow get better instead of proactively rocketing them up the arse.
Hopefully he remembers that the 2011 team and tactics in large part was a response to the 2008/9 Boks. They finally stopped trying to impose a helter-skelter style and admit they had to be able to negate and withstand the box kick first and foremost and becoming more physical in the forwards.
I would prefer he accepts the Ireland/BIL style of game is giving them fits and perhaps select and play accordingly. Our aerial game on defence needs to improve and our kicking game needs to improve - to achieve either it would take a tough personnel decision.
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Probably a good thing the fern wasn't around in 98-99,
It was. That was about when I started reading crap on here I think.
Really ? wow, in 98-99 all the internet was as far as I knew was something that you dialled up through the phone line and could supposedly look up Porn on.
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@nzzp said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Ireland have been seriously good for some time. They should have beaten us in Christchurch a few years ago. They should have beaten us in Dublin in 13. They did beat us in Chicago.
That win in Chicago was the catalyst for this victory in Dublin. Ireland now has the belief they can win these games, and that is half the battle.
The disappointing thing from an AB perspective is that Ireland played exactly how everyone expected them to so Hansen and co should have had a game plan to counter that.
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@rotated said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@rocky-rockbottom said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
worst part is if Hansen's ego leads to him digging his heels in re;selections/positions, reducing us to just hoping the failures somehow get better instead of proactively rocketing them up the arse.
Hopefully he remembers that the 2011 team and tactics in large part was a response to the 2008/9 Boks. They finally stopped trying to impose a helter-skelter style and admit they had to be able to negate and withstand the box kick first and foremost and becoming more physical in the forwards.
I would prefer he accepts the Ireland/BIL style of game is giving them fits and perhaps select and play accordingly. Our aerial game on defence needs to improve and our kicking game needs to improve - to achieve either it would take a tough personnel decision.
Do we have anyone that can implement a better kicking game though? Beauden and DMac are erratic, Mo'unga more consistent but still not great (am comparing him to world class players like Carter here). Our midfield can't kick, BFA again not a great kicking game. I don't think we have the personnel - we look much, much better when we keep ball in hand so I think our gameplan really needs to centre around that. Which maybe it will come WC time.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
With 15 to go , I honestly thought here we go , we will run over the top of them , we started to get some ball,
and its become so customary , you almost take it for granted ,Read alluded to the fact that they wanted to up the tempo and use their fitness in the 2nd half but the continual stoppages didn't allow any flow. Good tactics by Ireland if you can get away with it.
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@no-quarter Also, we did so many stupid box kicks/high kicks in the middle of the park at times when we should have been holding the ball. Its play like this that makes me lean towards the keeping the powder dry theory.
