Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@drivingmaul said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@snowy Or is it about training for a drop goal at the rugby world cup in a situation where you can afford to miss?
Can or can't? Is 3 points better than 7 in a RWC than this match?
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
It makes sense though as you double your chance of making it as you still have penalty advantage. I like it as it also prevents the opposition getting a rest behind the sticks
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Re the dropped goals - I wonder if it is a conscious decision to give Barrett practice doing them in a game situation. He misses, we get the ball back, no great loss apart from the opportunity for a free attack. We whinge we he doesn't do one at the end of the game to win it, but if the guy hasn't got the experience in a game situation he is not going to be confident when the game is on the line.
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@drivingmaul beat me to it.
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@crazy-horse yer but you put it better
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@voodoo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
poor old ofa showed great hands to hold that piece of shit perenara pass - but when you have to catch that slop you're always going to get barrelled and struggle to win the ruck.Think this is the 2nd mention of this incident in this thread - the most telling part for me was Read, watch the way he flops on the ground when he arrives at this tackle, it is possibly the worst non-cleanout of the game.
Yes this was a huge moment.
This is a perfect example of an issue I see with the current halfback situation.
If you want a situation when play at a break neck speed in the last 20-30 minutes then I don't see Perenara as the guy to play that role. He simply doesn't have the passing skills to deliver consistently. He's by far the 3rd best distributor of the current halfbacks yet he is the guy who is tasked with coming on in the last 20-30 minutes to up the tempo. He makes too many errors for that role to me. He doesn't also have the coolest of heads - last week he nearly blew the game.
I believe the ABs would be far better off either starting Perenara at 9 and bringing Smith off the bench (like they did v the Wallabies in Japan) or bringing TTT into the 23.
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo Not really as you can take the 3 anyway, yes 2 bites at the cherry if you don't have the confidence that you could kick the penalty.
Oh and your own players get a rest while the kick is being taken too.
I can't back this up but I would bet the AB's are the fittest team and they usually appear to try and play the opposition at high tempo exhausting footy. I think it plays into their hands more keeping the opposition on the hop
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Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
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@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
It is. Well for me. In the spirit of Groundskeeper Willy I keep things nice and hostile though.
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo Maybe. The Irish didn't really look any more tired than we did.
I was thinking that as I was writing that....
The last two games we have played have been un All Black like. I think I am playing into the powder dry theory. I'm happy to be blissfully ignorant too....
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@kiwimurph again, I think both our 9s are guilty of watching the ref and flapping thier arms about trying to attract a penalty, I recall both players were doing this at least 1 time each, and then the Irish picked and ran at them, in both instances both players took a longer moment to respond than they should had they been watching the play.
Winds me up.
I think the powder dry thing is one way of looking at it, but is more so that if they get whatever they are trying to achieve correct, then maybe it is a new style others wont have had a chance to build a good defence for yet?
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@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Keeping your powder dry.
Thought the preferred NZ heritage is Scottish not English.
Get fucked.
Beaten. Deservedly.
Learn or fuck off.
I really don’t get this post at all.
IT's quite easy to interpret.
He doesn't think we are keeping our powder dry and even saying so is a very English thing to do, so please go have some action, because we were well beaten, learn from mistakes or please go away.
Does that make it easier
Less clear, if anything!
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Between the 60th and 70th minute the Irish were out on their feet, and that was our chance. And repeated shit options and panic plays fucked us (Barrett with two of them) and we turned the ball over with the line beckoning.
Then they got to 10 to go, and got a 2nd wind, and, like England last week, were easily the better team over the closing stages.
That last period was definitely not "keeping the powder dry" that was team under pressure who didn't know what to do when stuck in their end. That they got the final break out and had one final attack was a credit to them, but i have never seen ab AN side more clueless than that period in their own 22 leading to Read dropping hte ball from an awful awful Barrett pass.
Actually thinking back, it fucks me off how DMac is viewed as this massive risk of a player, when Barrett is as much of a turnover risk, if not more given the evidence of yesterday morning.
I look at the final score, and the final play, and think "close game" but that is tempered by the Irish getting over the line twice more, and the ABs never actually looking like scoring a try.
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
There's a possibility that it stretches defences for a second man play. If you don't know under pressure if our 10 is going to slot a DG or run it, it opens up space on the field.
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@derm-mccrum said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Anyone got an aspirin?
I recommend ibuprofen and ranitidine
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@nzzp if they know he wont take a DG they dont need to defend it and simply fan out to defend the run, but now they know he can do it, it will make them set up slightly different when in that zone.
Had we won, I dont expect this would have attracted as much debate.
