Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@sammyc said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
I think the worst non yellow card call was when Whitelock deliberately slapped the ball forward whilst lying on the ground in an offside position early in the match.
hell yeah! Dumb play - at the pub we weren't sure if he touched it or not; someone with a higher definition screen can probably comment, but looked a cynical straight yellow all day if he touched it.
Also, I like the refs not buying into halfbacks falling all over players on the ground. It's stupid, cynical and everyone has been doing it - but if the ref ignores it, then people get on with playing the game
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@reprobate said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
aaron smith's kicking is nowhere near as accurate as it was against the lions. he is still so much better than perenara -because he can actually pass - but if we don't have the brains to use smith's speed to get around the rush then he's wasted, and why not use a bigger running halfback.
Great rant...and you've cleared up one important point...it's Justin Marshall after all.
@Siam will be pleased!
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@sammyc ha I reckon because it was so dumb and obvious Barnes was a bit dumbfounded as to what to do, so just pinged him.
Guess it balances out the non-yellow on the clumsy air collision...which was a common sense call, but goes against everything else we see and hear from WR about touching players in the air...
has there been a change since they threw Gardner under the bus?
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For me, the "powder dry" stuff is fueled by Hansen's repeated insistence that they're bedding in a new game plan and it's all going to take time.
At the last RWC we looked like rubbish in the early rounds, but things suddenly came good when needed, so maybe we need some trust.
On the other hand, in 1999, all the talk was of John Hart's secret plan that was going to be unveiled to the shock and awe of all. Presumably he was saving it for the final!
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@chris-b yea he said they are stuck between the old plan and the new one and not doing it very well.
Problem is, there aint a lot of time for them to fix it up (unless they plan on taking some losses into the RWC next year...) so do they need to go back to what they know and used to do so well.
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@reprobate You seem to be forever protecting the Props who I thought were bloody lazy out there. They lack mobility and are just saving themselves for the lineouts and scrums. They were non-existent at the breakdown where the Irish totally raped us. Come scrum time we were just plain terrible.
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2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
Thought AB defense was outstanding. Unfortunately, Irish was phenomenal. This Irish team is either truly something, or we have turned truly average this year. I think it’s the former.
I’ve never rated Kearney and always thought him shit. So he obviously had a blinder.
Fair play.
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I saw enough in that game that on another day Ireland would have been well beaten.
It also looked like the All Blacks were deliberately slowing their own ball down at rucks, not just because Aaron Smith was vacillating or slow. This is what gave the Irish defence time to readjust and number up. Had the All Blacks been in position slightly quicker and our halfback had the right person to pass to, I'd say Ireland's much vaunted defence would have been in trouble.
Given how flat they looked, I'm even more pissed that a bunch of tourists are now capped All Blacks against Japan.
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@reprobate said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
poor old ofa showed great hands to hold that piece of shit perenara pass - but when you have to catch that slop you're always going to get barrelled and struggle to win the ruck.Think this is the 2nd mention of this incident in this thread - the most telling part for me was Read, watch the way he flops on the ground when he arrives at this tackle, it is possibly the worst non-cleanout of the game.
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
Yeah, doubling our chance of getting 3 and eliminating our chance of getting 7. If our goal kicker was confident of nailing the penalty would he do that?
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@snowy Or is it about training for a drop goal at the rugby world cup in a situation where you can afford to miss?
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@drivingmaul said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@snowy Or is it about training for a drop goal at the rugby world cup in a situation where you can afford to miss?
Can or can't? Is 3 points better than 7 in a RWC than this match?
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@majorrage said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
2 weeks in a row getting drop goals after being awarded a penalty in a kickable position. Really don’t get that.
It makes sense though as you double your chance of making it as you still have penalty advantage. I like it as it also prevents the opposition getting a rest behind the sticks
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Re the dropped goals - I wonder if it is a conscious decision to give Barrett practice doing them in a game situation. He misses, we get the ball back, no great loss apart from the opportunity for a free attack. We whinge we he doesn't do one at the end of the game to win it, but if the guy hasn't got the experience in a game situation he is not going to be confident when the game is on the line.
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@drivingmaul beat me to it.
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@crazy-horse yer but you put it better
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@voodoo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@reprobate said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
poor old ofa showed great hands to hold that piece of shit perenara pass - but when you have to catch that slop you're always going to get barrelled and struggle to win the ruck.Think this is the 2nd mention of this incident in this thread - the most telling part for me was Read, watch the way he flops on the ground when he arrives at this tackle, it is possibly the worst non-cleanout of the game.
Yes this was a huge moment.
This is a perfect example of an issue I see with the current halfback situation.
If you want a situation when play at a break neck speed in the last 20-30 minutes then I don't see Perenara as the guy to play that role. He simply doesn't have the passing skills to deliver consistently. He's by far the 3rd best distributor of the current halfbacks yet he is the guy who is tasked with coming on in the last 20-30 minutes to up the tempo. He makes too many errors for that role to me. He doesn't also have the coolest of heads - last week he nearly blew the game.
I believe the ABs would be far better off either starting Perenara at 9 and bringing Smith off the bench (like they did v the Wallabies in Japan) or bringing TTT into the 23.
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@snowy said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo Not really as you can take the 3 anyway, yes 2 bites at the cherry if you don't have the confidence that you could kick the penalty.
Oh and your own players get a rest while the kick is being taken too.
I can't back this up but I would bet the AB's are the fittest team and they usually appear to try and play the opposition at high tempo exhausting footy. I think it plays into their hands more keeping the opposition on the hop
