Springboks V All Blacks
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I'm waiting for the 9 am replay. Oh, that's right.
A role reversal from Wellington when all the stats favoured the ABs but they lost.
As mentioned great impact from the bench, Ardie especially, but there are concerns that will need to be addressed. Franks looks old and slower to me. I don't think he's going to be any better in 2019.
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@tim said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Smith's deliberate pass at an SA player to milk a penalty was the low point of the game. He was so bad today.
Not my preferred option (use the space), and I hate that kind of cynicism, but it should have been a penalty. And maybe YC. The guy was offside preventing our attack.
If we base it solely on that game some of the second stringers are pushing for starts. TJP over Smith being one of them.
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@tim said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Smith's deliberate pass at an SA player to milk a penalty was the low point of the game. He was so bad today.
Happy that Gus ignored that but what about the SA player (Louw?) who played the ball on the ground at the next ruck?
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@victor-meldrew said in Springboks V All Blacks:
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Nah, the Boks outplayed us for 70 minutes and are obviously improving. Great to see them so competitive against us rather than the shellackings they've got over the last few years.
Love the rivalry and respect, and the way the 2 teams mingle after the game.
That is humilitae in action I believe, Sir Stephen insisting on best public relations practice to fool the con men of the ever critical media.
He had the players show acceptable respect at the beginning by presenting the highest level of Haka (See the discussion earlier in the thread. They have created a monster for themselves there ... the players cannot be allowed to decide what suits them best all by themselves, they must satisfy a vacuous media which determines if the Haka they use is evidence that they are demonstrating proper 'spect) and now he cunningly follows up by cleverly camouflaging All Black arrogance with humilitae!
It is a distorted environment - I know, I know - you just cannot have a winner celebrating a triumph by appearing triumphal in full view of l'il kiddies on family television, because it is a form of bullying or deep seated racism or disbelieving wymminses when they say stuff about blokes or something.
But do not despair - I see booboo was onto the most important bit which the detractors have not noticed, just up the page there 39 minutes ago:
"Fuck you world rugby.
Aura is back baby" -
Funny that Hansen had anticipated a Bok kicking game in Wellington by putting Jodie Barrett at fullback and Bender on the right wing. But the Boks played a ball-in-hand game. So Hansen brings Naholo back in Pretoria and the Boks kick for the corners.
I like the late second half backline with BB at the back, Ben Smith on the wing and Mounga at 10. What an iceman the latter is. Feels more solid with him there. Less highwire, which in those sorts of games is what you need.
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@booboo said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@stargazer said in Springboks V All Blacks:
How disappointed all those NH scribes must be!
How many columns have had to be rewritten or binned ...
Spare a thought for those that were timing the tissue grab for the final whistle and couldn’t finish
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@smuts said in Springboks V All Blacks:
That one is going to take some time to swallow. Congrats boys - pretty impressive to come back and win that one.
Cheers, but as I said to the saffa next to me at the pub, that was no impressive comeback, it was a lucky kick followed by a try that was hardly clinical.
I accepted the win but would have been as happy if the conversion missed. We didn’t deserve it. -
People upset with defence but it kept us in game. Our issue was attack and our lack of accuracy and inability to crete space until the end this constantly meant we were on defence. Maybe we needed to just get over gainline straight away with naholo/Ioane, also think that Barrett could run of first phase more.
we lacked forward ball runners without BBBR and squire, our best options in that game were Taylor and then Savea when he came on.
The issue for SA moving forward is that they can get up for NZ but can they for other nations i.e Argentina and Aussie. be interesting to see how they go vs NH -
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@booboo said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@stargazer said in Springboks V All Blacks:
How disappointed all those NH scribes must be!
How many columns have had to be rewritten or binned ...
Spare a thought for those that were timing the tissue grab for the final whistle and couldn’t finish
Poor stuart barnes
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@billy-tell how the hell was the ref fine every single inaccurate call when in the favour of the home team some were horrendous. How the fuck is the standard of reffing gonna improve if this performance is considered fine. This was on the same level as the Frenchie last week
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@synicbast said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@booboo said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@stargazer said in Springboks V All Blacks:
How disappointed all those NH scribes must be!
How many columns have had to be rewritten or binned ...
Spare a thought for those that were timing the tissue grab for the final whistle and couldn’t finish
Poor stuart barnes
I actually quite like Stuart, reminds me of Bill Lawry. Being NZ based i obviously didn't hear the sky UK commentary .
I was listening to a week old Devlin podcast yesterday as I painted the house, he was interviewing a kiwi guy who works for Sky UK who mentioned they were sending their own UK commentary team as there was a lot of interest in the game. My thought was; "that sucks" as the Saffa English language commentators are good quality - excellent and unbiased, non-whiney in games I've watched even when in tough times and Boks were dire. Their viewers would get a better experience if they just left it to the host broadcaster.
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@booboo I dont think smith pass was premeditated. He looked up and then saw him in the way and heistated. We were a few yards out, an AB was right next to him and he then passed.
I think Smith would have had to then look for another option and wuld have got monstered by onrushing boks.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@synicbast said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@crucial said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@booboo said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@stargazer said in Springboks V All Blacks:
How disappointed all those NH scribes must be!
How many columns have had to be rewritten or binned ...
Spare a thought for those that were timing the tissue grab for the final whistle and couldn’t finish
Poor stuart barnes
I actually quite like Stuart, reminds me of Bill Lawry. Being NZ based i obviously didn't hear the sky UK commentary .
I was listening to a week old Devlin podcast yesterday as I painted the house, he was interviewing a kiwi guy who works for Sky UK who mentioned they were sending their own UK commentary team as there was a lot of interest in the game. My thought was; "that sucks" as the Saffa English language commentators are good quality - excellent and unbiased, non-whiney I games I've watched even when in tough times and Boks were dire.
That was actually yesterday's show.
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@crucial a win on the highveld against the boks should be cherished.
However, I felt pretty hollow after that. Comprehensively outplayed and no win would have sparked cries of a crisis.
It feels a little like the 6-3 win against Australia before the RWC (for thos old enough to remember!)
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@dagrubster said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@booboo I dont think smith pass was premeditated. He looked up and then saw him in the way and heistated. We were a few yards out, an AB was right next to him and he then passed.
I think Smith would have had to then look for another option and wuld have got monstered by onrushing boks.
Even if the ref thought it wasn't deliberate he still prevented the opposition from playing how they wish (penalty). Even if accidental it is a scrum to NZ.
The only reason for 'wiping out' the offside is if the players was trying to get out of the way and would have been out of the way if it wasn't for a targeted pass.
