All Blacks v Springboks
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
This would be their lowest since the official rankings then. Scotland got to 5th last year which was their highest ranking but woulda been higher in 91 when they finished 4th in the WC.
Whereabouts are you getting rankings prior to 2003 from?
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.It's the reason we've played a Bledisloe fixture every year for almost forty years, to raise their standard and interest. I reckon it's got to the point that's no longer helpful.
Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
The problem is the pole smokers (Possum Head etc.) have largely moved on as great as it is to see them (ARU) get their comeuppance. The worry is what does this mean for the continuation of our revenue; Super and the Championship?
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
Is that correct? I don't recall him being super composed in that match (but he played well) and wouldn't his more recent play in 2018 have got him the jumper (he's played in 4 tests in 2018)?
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
This would be their lowest since the official rankings then. Scotland got to 5th last year which was their highest ranking but woulda been higher in 91 when they finished 4th in the WC.
Whereabouts are you getting rankings prior to 2003 from?
My arse
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
I think making the RWC final in 2015 gave a false impression. It's been a continual slide. Since then they've managed 15 wins from 36 Tests, a success rate of 41 percent.
Were there irb rankings back in the 70s?
They were absolutely dogshit in the 70s , in his book Kirky questioned the value of bothering to play them as a warm up to a tour because they were so awful.It's the reason we've played a Bledisloe fixture every year for almost forty years, to raise their standard and interest. I reckon it's got to the point that's no longer helpful.
Are we supposed to be magnanimous about their slide or is it cool to get into some schadenfreude ?
The problem is the pole smokers (Possum Head etc.) have largely moved on as great as it is to see them (ARU) get their comeuppance. The worry is what does this mean for the continuation of our revenue; Super and the Championship?
Maybe this is pretty much their level and they should accept the early 2000s were an aberration and work from there? For most of their history about from blips in the early 90s and 2000s they’ve been decidedly average and competing with the afl and nrl hasn’t helped.
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@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
Australia at 7 ? That must be their lowest ranking ever
Nah, in the 70s they managed to get to ninth. Predictably there are claims the coaches have to go, with counter claims asking "ok, who?".
Stephen Larkham I reckon
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
Is that correct? I don't recall him being super composed in that match (but he played well) and wouldn't his more recent play in 2018 have got him the jumper (he's played in 4 tests in 2018)?
Well it's pretty subjective but my recollection was that he was amazingly composed given his age and the pressure cooker environment of the deciding test. Looked made for test footy. I do wonder if his continued selection led to a bit of over-confidence, hence throwing that ball, so hoping that brings him down to earth.
Worth remembering he scored a pretty awesome try, beautiful line while taking the ball behind him without losing any pace. Some costly brain farts but it wasn't the worst performance ever.
ALB has come away pretty unscathed given he cost us 14 points himself while creating 0 so I'll chuck his name out there again...
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@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
It helps if the bloke you're passing to moves towards the ball.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
It helps if the bloke you're passing to moves towards the ball.
You can clearly see he's anticipating the ball bouncing towards him, but it bounces straight up - the vagaries of the rugby ball. Maybe Ioane should have used the same jedi mind trick that forced Jordie to throw the ball against his will to make the ball bounce towards him?
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Jordie to kick long range. Sorted.
yea, relying on JB composure, what could possibly go wrong?
It was Jordie's composure against the Lions that got him the jumper in the first place. He shat the bed in that SA test - I reckon his feet should be firmly planted on the ground again now - so hopefully he goes back to doing the basics.
If that quick throw had bounced the right way Reiko was probably down the other end scoring a try, but yeah blind Freddie could see there were 2 or 3 springboks there ready to pounce and it was very high risk.
Might have helped if Ioane hadn't run away from the ball... I'm pretty sure if Ioane isn't calling for that, Barrett doesn't throw it. Yet Barrett is getting all the shit when the guy who called it decided to drop nuts and make it look really bad.
Barrett deserves all the shit, he threw the ball. In nearly every match you see players calling for a quick lineout and the player doesn't throw the ball. Ioane deserves the shit he got for getting bundled into touch too often but this was all on the passer.
Oh yeah fuck of course. Just like if the hooker throws in and no one jumps, bloody hooker! Players dropping the ball when it's passed to them - Why on earth is the passer passing it?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Latest rankings. Cab someone explain how these work ? Full credit to S.A. but surely one won doesn't guarantee a jump of two spots?
The ranking is based on points.
Points are exchanged between teams that play each other.
The bigger the difference in points the more points are exchanged if the lower ranked team wins.
Given NZ had significantly more points than SA then the Bokke picked up a decent wedge of points.
It's explained on the website.
Because NZ has been so far in front of the teams they've played they haven't been able gain any points.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
You can clearly see he's anticipating the ball bouncing towards him
Seems kinda arrogant, why not move towards the ball so it doesn't bounce?
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@nepia oh he's running away from a rugby ball that's going to bounce instead of trying to catch it before it bounces? Well duh, he's obviously logically on the right track, what am I thinking? Plus despite his repeated efforts to dissuade Jordie, the fucker just flings it anyway! All Barrett's fault.
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@antipodean something you teach kids...if at all possible, try and catch the ball rather than let it bounce
