All Blacks v Springboks
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@rancid-schnitzel That's what makes it so frustrating, we should have buried them. We made 600 odd running metres versus their 200 odd, it's crazy. We have these guys in our group at next year's WC. The last thing that was needed was the Boks getting some self belief that they can beat us. We need to put them away well in South Africa now and erode some of that belief.
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@akan004 but isn’t that the great thing about sport, the unpredictability. A team might dominate on stat X or Y but still lose because the other team just does a couple of things that turn the game their way.
We lost this time and have a big opportunity to turn it around in a couple of weeks. Some players will need to look at their performance and hopefully learn a few things from it.
World Cups are strange beasts. You can come into it with a certain type of record but that means squat because you could turn up on that day and voila walk into a QF win!
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@shark said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@hooroo said in All Blacks v Springboks:
I gotta say though Goodhue must start. As soon as he came on the back line looked untold better.
Sounds silly but he is the Dan a Carter of centres. Has sooooo much time on the ball and does the right thing every time.
That bok defence though. That was something else. For 80 mins too. Truly didn’t think they had the fortitude to do that
Yeah absolutely re Goodhue. He adds the punch that ALB just can't from centre (I think ALB is a 12 all day). Crotty was ok. ALB was persona non grata.
Agree. ALB is a 12 not centre. He had a game he will want to forget
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Patrick also had a good game, some big runs and good tight work. Dropped one ball.
One of those drop balls was from a terrible low pass from TJP.
I didn't think Smith's passing was that great either by his standards. One of those games.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Take a chill pill. This was like that Rodders test in 2006. Hubris and some massive brain explosions. Take away those 2 ridiculous intercepts and that mindless penalty before half time and that's a 15 point win.
Relax, the ABs need losses like this to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I was on a plane so didn't get to watch yet. But by the sounds of it they turned up and we had one of those games. Even then we only lost by 2 and could have won it on a late penalty shout not given? Better to take the odd loss know, hopefully it will learn us in time for Japan 2019
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Well done Boks, that win is fair enough. Drove us back in many tackles and rattled the current 2 time world player of the year.
"Only as good as your last game"
2 stand outs for me:
Best example of goalkicking losing a game you'll ever see, perhaps the only example in professional rugby.
Lost to Boks at home because the antecedent of Don Clarke, Allen Hewson, Grant Fox, Andrew Mehrtens and Dan Carter ( to name a few) couldn't land kicks a 16 year old would nail!!??
That's not fucking happening again I should hope!
Secondly, can we plan for a half hour of possession and territory play, you know the type of percentage play that is the bedrock of All Black rugby, the stuff we forged our record with?
Only 30 mins worth, say if we get a start and the opposition fluke 2 tries and the lead, perhaps we could grind and play tight and patient for 25 mins or so. Can always helter skelter in the second half.Loved Karl T. today
Compulsory sing along in the sheds, Led Zeppelin, "Nobody's fault but mine"
6 tries and lose, dickheads😁
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
The supposed DMac is a headless chook and JB is solid is a myth
Gotta agree. JB seemed to do more dumb things tonight than DMac did in an AB shirt all of last year. He and (particularly) Goodhue were exceptional when they came on.
I wonder whether BB's place-kicking affects the other parts of his game and vice-versa as it seems to be a confidence thing with him. Wonder why Read didn't get DMac to convert the last AB try?
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This is a good time to re-evaluate the forwards and game plan. We were too predictable and too eager to move it wide. Aaron Smith is part of the problem here. Even though he might be one of our better halfbacks as far as passing he did not read the game well last night. That’s why he was yanked early. Too many hospital passes and can I say predictable too many times.
We have been able to win with the flair of our backs for a while but we need to focus on setting the table with the forwards. Thanks Owen franks but we need more than a scrummager. Our subs in the forwards gave us front foot ball with some mistakes but they gave us the opportunity. We lacked that in the first half and possibly due to smith not directing play that way. We need some dynamic first, second and third phase forward play we were breaking the line and the players and strategy to do this. This will break up the predictability of spreading it wide every time.
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Goal kicking didn't lose the game, it's a pretty simple concept of sliding doors. Who knows how differently both teams might have played if the kicks were converted? In my sliding doors imaginary world all the tries were converted and the boks went the length of the field to win in overtime.
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Is it time to start DMac at 15 instead of JB if we're going to persist with BFA at 14? The supposed DMac is a headless chook and JB is solid is a myth and DMac actually had some decent test matches at 15 last year.
But, you can see that some posters still have DMac blinkers as he's getting some shit yet him and Goodhue added heaps when they came on (Goodhue more than DMac it must be said, he was on fire) and as @Mokey pointed out DMac was set for a drop goal for ages.
I think in the last 10 minutes, especially with the Boks down a man we overdid the ruck hit ups and should have spread wide, and I mean wide, not down the blind, earlier when defenders were being sucked in.
BB's general play outside his kicking was pretty average too, stupid kicks to the sideline and he was doing a weird hip pass thing to players with defenders on him.
ABs-fucken-lutely re the third paragraph. I made the comment earlier in the thread as it was happening. So frustrating and tactically disgusting.
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You’re mixing up Cheika and Hansen there buddy. Hansen keeps his cool.
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Rather lose to the Boks a hundred times then to the aussies once.
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Well, so we coughed one up at home. I know there is a lot of wailing and gnashign of teeth - mainly to be fair in the media - but this wasn't anything to get too upset about I reckon.
The Bokke brought a good physical game, and were fully committed. That said, we ripped them apart, scored 6 tries, and made the game look easy at times. It was our farking defence and decision making that really cost us that win; goalkicking could have burgled it, but fark me, 6 tries and you lose?
BBBR is our critical player. What a sensation - you only really see quite how dominant he is in every part of the game when he's gone. Don't forget the much vaunted Canterbury talent identification system passed him over, so he wombled off to the North.
Anyhoo, I really enjoyed the test. A great contest, and nothing in it right to the end. And, as I said, you'd say the ABs played pretty poorly at times, well below their standards, and the Boks played pretty well as well as they can. Result: we lose.
Things I liked
- Dyanti running around people. What an offensive weapon
- Physical commitment around the paddock
- Beaudy's wee pass up to his brother for the early try. What hands - that's worth 5 of the points he left out there
- Refs who let the game go -- while there's an argument for pedantic whistling, it's a much better watch with open running rugby
- Josh Goodhue's impact coming on. That guy is doing all he can to push for a long career in black. Remember - he's the same age as ALB; shows the real youth kicking around the team
- Ben Smith. At 32. Fark me, just made so many metres, so many good decisions. Awesome.
- Teams that don't act like muppets to each other, and will have a beer afterwards. It's what Rugby's about - I'm biased, but you don't have to be a bunch of wazzers to win at the top level (looking at you, Australia)
Things I didn't like so much
- Goalkicking (obvs)
- JB's fast throw to bounce somewhere near some Bokke. Reminded me of Billy Slater's biff back into the field of play in the League RWC Final. You only do that if you don't respect your opponents deeply, and think you'll win no matter what. I don't think he'll do that again soon
- Some of the offside calls (from teh couch anyway) -- very relaxed
- Looooooong advantage. I'm old school for this, but with modern defences that just don't fall apart, I reckon it's 2-3 phases and then back for the penalty. Otherwise you just burn time and don't actually advance the game
- Losing
- Not having good 6 cover on the bench for when Liam gets injured.
Thoroughly good game, disappointing result, but I wasn't gutted - just a bit flat. Still slept like a baby, and I really think we're on the right track with this side.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Thoroughly good game, disappointing result, but I wasn't gutted - just a bit flat. Still slept like a baby, and I really think we're on the right track with this side.
Also, things I don't like: Justin Farking Marshall. That fella needs to get a lawbook sometime,and talk to some referees. Honestly, most times he opens his mouth he is flat out wrong.
Poor commentators lead to misinformation being widely spread in the casual rugby watching public. This is not good for the game, because (wider) it's always hometown bullshit. Example today in the Ferald: missed refs call costs All Blacks game. It's that shit - we lost because of our defence; blaming the ref gets you where the Wallabies are now; not owning their issues.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Thoroughly good game, disappointing result, but I wasn't gutted - just a bit flat. Still slept like a baby, and I really think we're on the right track with this side.
Also, things I don't like: Justin Farking Marshall. That fella needs to get a lawbook sometime,and talk to some referees. Honestly, most times he opens his mouth he is flat out wrong.
Poor commentators lead to misinformation being widely spread in the casual rugby watching public. This is not good for the game, because (wider) it's always hometown bullshit. Example today in the Ferald: missed refs call costs All Blacks game. It's that shit - we lost because of our defence; blaming the ref gets you where the Wallabies are now; not owning their issues.
Exactly, you see it in League with guys like Gus Gould and people buy their rubbish and start blaming refs for no reason.
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Why was it after that opening 20 or so when Grandad from Accounts was tearing shit up, we barely gave him the ball again?
I know SA defended well, but he was a big part of all the good bits early on, then when the shit was being shredded by the fan, we barely had him involved.
