Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?
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@pukunui said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
Having said all that my money is on Dmac getting picked on the bench for the foreseeable future.
You could be right, but on the other hand, if Hansen wants to develop Mo'unga as a test player before the RWC then he's got to give him plenty of time this year, because next year there's only the (presumably six) Rugby Championship tests.
There's still eleven tests this year and if I was dividing them up I'd do something like:
Beauden 6 starts 2 bench (including 1st two Bleds, England and Ireland)
Richie 3 starts 4 bench
DMac 2 starts 5 bench -
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@machpants said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
Razor about Mo'unga "...he was tough on defence..." & "Now he is brave on D..."; he maybe 'tough' and 'brave' but he was also 'poor' with 80% of his tackle attempts missed.
That is a genuine concern. Laumape made him his bitch, although he wouldn't be the first or last.
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@rancid-schnitzel Yeah I'm not doubting his other skills tho, and he is a worthy AB squad member, but D his Achilles. Most 10s are not great, with the tanks that come their way, but he was even being hidden on D in some set ups like Oz teams do. Not good IMO.
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@machpants said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
Razor about Mo'unga "...he was tough on defence..." & "Now he is brave on D..."; he maybe 'tough' and 'brave' but he was also 'poor' with 80% of his tackle attempts missed.
Let's be fair. Not everyone can be Henry Honiball.
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BB has missed an average of 1.7 tackles per game
RM has missed an average of 1.8 tackles per game
DM has missed an average of 1.9 tackles per gameSopoaga and Jantjes are the worst at 2.7 and 2.8 respectively
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@taniwharugby said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
BB has missed an average of 1.7 tackles per game
RM has missed an average of 1.8 tackles per game
DM has missed an average of 1.9 tackles per gameSopoaga and Jantjes are the worst at 2.7 and 2.8 respectively
So Richie’s defense isn’t a “genuine concern” then
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@sammyc he has missed less tackles than both BB and DM, but as a % his missed tackles is alot higher, as he probably isnt required to make as many as the other 2, who have played alot more minutes too.
BUt simply comparing stats is never a great way to compare.
RM 22/57
DM 28/75
BB 27/73 -
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I'm not sure, TBH, but I am not calling for DMac to be on the field at 10 at all! He's a liability in a tight test, minnows and emergencies only for me - fullback maybe. But the way the Saders defence stood up, maybe we should start hiding our ten in the ABs?
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@pukunui said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
Its worth remembering the whole 10 cover/15 impact bench requirement only made a return after the Lions series when Cruden left. Between then and the Rwc final it was mostly a "proper" 10 on the bench.
My preference would be BB to start with RM on the bench for several reasons.
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RM provides a bit of a different style to BB (as Cruden/Sop did) which can be useful if things aren't working for BB. Dmac just seems to play the BB game with the risk dialed up to 10.
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Instead of trying to recreate the "BB impact at 15" from 2014/2015 with Dmac, why not use the real BB to provide that impact? He has proven time after time that he can still do freakish things after playing 79mins. Especially if given a bit more space by moving to 15.
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Dmac is arguably our 4th best 15 behind Smith, Jordie and BB. I would prefer those guys to be on the park and only change things around if BB at 10 isn't working.
Having said all that my money is on Dmac getting picked on the bench for the foreseeable future.
I did some analysis a while back for the period between 2011 and 2015 and what Hansen and co did with their 1st 5 and bench options. Most games we played with DC starting and one of Cruden and Barrett on the bench. But there were a few games when we had all 3 in the team.
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@stargazer said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
The "playing behind a dominant pack" argument has been over-used, when talking about Mo'unga as an AB first five-eighth. In some instances, it will give him more time to make decisions, but he still has to make the right decisions. And some of the other great stuff he does on the field, has nothing to do with playing behind a dominant pack. Example:
The Havili's try makes me wonder if Goodhue's future would be at 2nd Five Eight instead of centre where his lack of speed could be crippling. ALB or Ioane would have scored this one.
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@cgrant said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
The Havili's try makes me wonder if Goodhue's future would be at 2nd Five Eight instead of centre where his lack of speed could be crippling. ALB or Ioane would have scored this one.
That guy was motoring, and seemed to come from nowhere. The coaches and selectors will have the speeds from camps - they should know how he stacks up against the others
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@cgrant he has plenty enough pace, he is a 13, not a wing or FB; showed it a number of times in M10 cup against quick players, that LIons player was pretty damn quick and had a good angle.
That said, I've said he could be an option at 12, has the defensive game and good distribution, just lacking a good enough kicking game.
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@machpants said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
@pakman said in Who should start at 10 in Bledisloe I?:
I can't say I've noticed any particular aspects, but I imagine Ritchie has picked up some great wisdom from ROG, who was a first rate tactical 10.
From someone who has been part of the team coaching RoG, I think
https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/08/01/whos-knocking-on-the-door-at-number-ten/
Excellent article, thanks, @Machpants! Game management hasn't been a strength of our 10s post ACDC.
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I am a Goodhue fan and I watch him closely. I too have some concerns about his top end pace, but to be fair in that instance above, the guy that got him looked fucking quick. I was more disappointed Goodhue didn't see his winger who was unmarked outside him (although a good few yards begind).
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@machpants Why should we hide our 10? Just teach them how to tackle is all.
Concerted classes from a certain other Richie should do the trick..
