All Blacks v France Test 3
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I'm still not comfortable when TJP comes on in a tight test. It's like watching Phipps replace Genia.
Quoted, as it should be read more than once. The drop off at 9 is huuuuuge
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I really don't understand the insistence of moving Rieko to 13 right now. We have ALB, Goodhue (both longterm prospects) and Crotty already. 12 is a bigger issue for us but there's no way we should be wasting his acceleration/pace in that position (Tana FFS).
Let him play 11 until he gets 50+ tries and then move him into the midfield.
I think it's valuable that Rieko continues to get time at 13 for the purposes of moving him there during a test.
With the midfield consisting of players who constantly get injured (SBW, Crotty) and others who have yet to nail down starting spots (ALB, Goodhue, Laumape) (plus the fact Rieko has looked very sharp when he has played 13 for the ABs) I really like the idea of Rieko continuing to get time at 13.
The value of being able to shift Rieko to 13 during a test is huge - especially when you think about small World Cup squads and versatility plus what you want the makeup of the bench to be.
However getting time at 13, and moving to 13 during a test is different from Rieko shifting to 13 completely (i.e. starting the majority of his tests there).
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@jk said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
On the Dmac....
World cup final with Dmac?? Geeez I dunno yet...but hell if beaver could do it then surely Dmac is capableWoah woah woah right there buddy! DMac is no where near the class and legend that Beaver is and was!
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@no-quarter I don't recall a certain game in a world cup that never happened where the ABs trusted what wasn't working right up the moment they lost.
If your Plan B is to keep trying Plan A until it works, then anyone who can beat Plan A has you nobbled.
Sure Beauden should be starting, but we've seen at Super and Test level that sometimes he just doesn't seem to be able to get his backline firing. If we have no way out of that, we are screwed. All because we're too scared to take a risk? Hardly the current NZ opinion on how to play rugby.
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@chester-draws yeah I think it was Goldie I heard during the week talk about how people always ask about 'plan b' when 'plan a' isnt working and he was like if 'plan a' aint working, you are already gone.
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@kiwimurph I don't really buy this versatility stuff when it comes to our front line players. These are the guys playing most of the games in their "proper" positions. Ioane isn't going to turn up playing centre in a minnow game anymore than Beauden is going to be playing fullback in the same match. He's going to be be rested.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@chester-draws yeah I think it was Goldie I heard during the week talk about how people always ask about 'plan b' when 'plan a' isnt working and he was like if 'plan a' aint working, you are already gone.
Is that true though? I'm sure there's been games where we've played a wide game in the first half and then adjusted and played up the middle - didn't that happen against France a couple of years back.
Also, didn't the ABs try a bunch of game plans in the pool stages of 2015 so that they had them in their armour for the finals?
Maybe things have moved on since Goldies day? Maybe if Hart had a plan B of moving Cullen back to fullback and Goldie back to his right wing in the second half of the 99 semi things wouldn't have gone so bad ...
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@nepia maybe that is part of the plan to change things up mid-game, much easier to do if you are winning.
I think he was referring to a RWC game where a team get a roll on and no amount of changing tactics is gonna stop them.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@nepia maybe that is part of the plan to change things up mid-game, much easier to do if you are winning.
I think he was referring to a RWC game where a team get a roll on and no amount of changing tactics is gonna stop them.
Sounds like him covering for 99
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@nepia I think they will change mid-game, and I'm not suggesting we would move DMac on early, but Beauden for all his brilliance in some areas isn't the most flexible player. If he could play up closer to the line he already would (at least sometimes).
Various people have commented how SBW looks good with a first five who plays up. If that is where you want to change to, then BB doesn't seem to work.
@taniwharugby Goldie was about as good a coach as I am. Surely no-one, even school coaches, think you should play your pre-game plan consistently when it isn't working. That's mental!
