All Blacks v France Test #1
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@mikethesnow So you enjoy every 5 minutes the TMO going 'check check foul play 25 phases ago a player got tackled and there are grass stains on his shorts I think you need to review'. 5 minutes later ref 'I think we can play on. Thats really added to the game has it.'
Not particularly. Unless it's that type of game and then unfortunately the TMO needs to be used.
In Saturday's incident the ref got it wrong in real time. Then got it wrong for a second time by not asking the TMO.
Potentially (and in this instance actually) pivotal moments/decisions need a second look.
Can't see how anyone can see it differently tbh
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Just want to say, a big no to having a wing/fullback cover centre (if starting at wing/fullback that is).
We currently don't have the other option which is a midfielder that can play well on the wing. (eg Kahui). Seta is trying to create himself as one but can only do so when one of Crotty or Goodhue are injured. They are pretty rare and anyway the current international game requires a winger to have a skillset a bit different to what we got away with with Kahui.
The other option we have with a midfield injury is playing two first receivers and BB shifting out one space.
I don't see it is a problem anyway. Plenty on here keep telling us the JB can play anywhere on the field at test standard.
Yup, he looks like a giraffe, so should be able to play like a giraffe.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Just want to say, a big no to having a wing/fullback cover centre (if starting at wing/fullback that is).
We currently don't have the other option which is a midfielder that can play well on the wing. (eg Kahui). Seta is trying to create himself as one but can only do so when one of Crotty or Goodhue are injured. They are pretty rare and anyway the current international game requires a winger to have a skillset a bit different to what we got away with with Kahui.
The other option we have with a midfield injury is playing two first receivers and BB shifting out one space.
I don't see it is a problem anyway. Plenty on here keep telling us the JB can play anywhere on the field at test standard.
Nah, he's no good at tighthead.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Just want to say, a big no to having a wing/fullback cover centre (if starting at wing/fullback that is).
We currently don't have the other option which is a midfielder that can play well on the wing. (eg Kahui). Seta is trying to create himself as one but can only do so when one of Crotty or Goodhue are injured. They are pretty rare and anyway the current international game requires a winger to have a skillset a bit different to what we got away with with Kahui.
The other option we have with a midfield injury is playing two first receivers and BB shifting out one space.
I don't see it is a problem anyway. Plenty on here keep telling us the JB can play anywhere on the field at test standard.
Nah, he's no good at tighthead.
Only because he hasn't been tried there.
I did have a chuckle when the Barrett's were lined up for the anthem and there was a fullback taller than a lock.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
We currently don't have the other option which is a midfielder that can play well on the wing. (eg Kahui). Seta is trying to create himself as one but can only do so when one of Crotty or Goodhue are injured. They are pretty rare and anyway the current international game requires a winger to have a skillset a bit different to what we got away with with Kahui.
We do actually have a winger/midfielder in Rieko, although you can debate how effective he is currently in the midfield.
ALB could also play on the wing in a backline reshuffle, he made his debut there for the Chiefs. I noted that one of the reasons Hansen and Foster gave for liking DMac as a utility back is that he covers wing too. He ended up there a few times last year.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
We currently don't have the other option which is a midfielder that can play well on the wing. (eg Kahui). Seta is trying to create himself as one but can only do so when one of Crotty or Goodhue are injured. They are pretty rare and anyway the current international game requires a winger to have a skillset a bit different to what we got away with with Kahui.
We do actually have a winger/midfielder in Rieko, although you can debate how effective he is currently in the midfield.
ALB could also play on the wing in a backline reshuffle, he made his debut there for the Chiefs. I noted that one of the reasons Hansen and Foster gave for liking DMac as a utility back is that he covers wing too. He ended up there a few times last year.
We have a winger/midfielder with BFA as well (for bench purposes). It was more the experienced midfielder that can play as a starting test wing that I was thinking about (eg Kahui)
The selectors are taking an approach of the bench being there as a weapon to up the ante and add some dynamics that can take advantage of tiring opposition rather than planning for injuries. Hence the desire to inject DMac at 15. Put him on the bench and you then look for midfield and halfback impact.
It's a good strategy as long as you don't get too many injuries. A fresh halfback ups the speed of the game, the 80 minute first-five has already got the feel of where opportunities to attack are and you have a midfield broadsword and fullback rapier to take advantage.
I still think SBW nowdays suits the starting 12 better than the finishing one. ALB and Goddhue may even miss a RWC selection due to lack of room. I believe the thinking lies toward SBW/Crotty with Laumape on bench. -
@toddy said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@broughie nah, not Crotty. Everything he does is perfect.
Agree
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ah ok, so this former ref reckons Ofa shoulda been red carded...just goes to show how confusing the rules are when most pundits are finger pointing Cane, yet this guy reckons it was Ofa.
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I would take all these "experts" chiming in with their clickbaity headlines with an extremely large grain of salt. It's just a bunch of people looking for the 5 minutes of fame.
When people are accusing the All Blacks of cheating and getting away with murder it means we are winning and all is right in the world.
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@no-quarter agreed, just amusing that a supposed former international ref can see it differently.
Doesn't help when people like Pichot who should remain impartial stick their oar in.
Wouldn't expect anything less than hyperbole from S Jones though.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@no-quarter agreed, just amusing that a supposed former international ref can see it differently.
cough Jonathan Kaplan cough
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@taniwharugby top professional? 12 years? Why the fuck have I never heard of Rob Debney?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
ah ok, so this former ref reckons Ofa shoulda been red carded...just goes to show how confusing the rules are when most pundits are finger pointing Cane, yet this guy reckons it was Ofa.
Which would be why I've never heard of him.
Edit: what Bones said:)
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@taniwharugby yeah, I like to think I might at least recognise a name if I saw/heard it! He must've got all the good gigs.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
ah ok, so this former ref reckons Ofa shoulda been red carded...just goes to show how confusing the rules are when most pundits are finger pointing Cane, yet this guy reckons it was Ofa.
If he was a referee until 2011, he probably missed all the law changes since then. Clearly doesn't know the difference between reckless and accidental, like most people who say these players deserved a red card.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@taniwharugby top professional? 12 years? Why the fuck have I never heard of Rob Debney?
This is coming from the same bloke who thought Sean O'Brien swinging an arm into Waisake's head shouldn't have been cited.
Like so many others, he's simply trying to be relevant in a game that's past him by.
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Easy to make a call well after the fact. Replay is meant to help, but it is a blight on the game when you use it without context. Ofa made heavy contact with his shoulder to the frog's head but his arms were there. The hit would have been perfectly legal if he wasn't going down in Cane's tackle, and in real time there was no chance for him to pull out of it. If they'd used video review and Cane got a YC I would have totally accepted that. But the shoulder to head was purely an accident in a fast moving game. A card of any colour for him would have been criminal. As for favouritism towards the ABs I reckon it's B.S. We play the game hard and at times close to the limit of the law but unlike many we are rarely filth. I suppose these fucktards forget last year's Lions test and the "deal" cut by a French ref that went criminally against us
