All Blacks v France Test #1
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Speak of the devil, I'm now just watching Ire v Aus replay. And TMO over turns a try ...
Jeezus Christ. This sport is a mess.
TMOs out. Let refs make mistakes. It's not that big a deal.
As for the scare of the moment - let the Obscure contacts with head be decided in judiciary. Ref just penalise unless it's a blatant bit of foul play.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
He is a slightly better TMO than he was as an on field ref.
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Felt sorry for the frogs because if the YC or Ardies try was awarded against my team I'd be royally pissed. v
Very poor display of following protocols and the sudden flourish of the yellow card doesn't fill me with confidence. Confirmation bias will have people hating the tmo stoppages but I'm sure the data suggests the tmo more often delivers the correct ruling.Ardies knee down try is an inconsistent area in current rugby
The 3-some concussion is a precarious one. Lot's of accidental in that but sure, shoulder to head contact.
I gravely fear we're going to paint ourselves into a corner and have no options left when an attacker ducks their head under the "nipple line".
Nice to see a player marched 10 for what he should have learned at age 10. (Murray got penalised for gobshiting as well in Brisbane).
Officialdom appropriately aside, really good win. Very happy with that first up.Well led Hagrid
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@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
That’s a pretty generous interpretation. Even the diagram examples in the law book show clearly that the intention is for a ball carrier, not ball knocker on to be able to move in front of a teammate and put them onside.
It is a penalisable offence to deliberately pass a ball forward but you are interpreting that it is legal to bat a ball forward as long as you manage to run in front before the catch? That’s illogical.
By deliberately catching a knocked on ball the player has removed all possibility of an advantage play by the opposition. -
Seems to be a tactic brought in from super rugby but the crawling/rolling on the ground after being tackled is really starting to annoy the fu#k out of me. ALB seems to be an expert at it and Ardie took full advantage of it.
It's just another thing refs have to keep an eye out for, for which they already have too many things to look out for.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC?You might be onto something there.
At the end of the day i am happy for them to rule it a scrum only every time. However they need to change the law so there is never a chance for inconsistency and a ref giving a crucial penalty.The whole "deliberate" knock on is a similar one but has gone the other way. Ruling that as a penalty in most cases has just lead to wild inconsistency with anything from a knock on to a penalty try and yellow card.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
That’s a pretty generous interpretation. Even the diagram examples in the law book show clearly that the intention is for a ball carrier, not ball knocker on to be able to move in front of a teammate and put them onside.
It is a penalisable offence to deliberately pass a ball forward but you are interpreting that it is legal to bat a ball forward as long as you manage to run in front before the catch? That’s illogical.
By deliberately catching a knocked on ball the player has removed all possibility of an advantage play by the opposition.I am saying very little really.
I am saying that when a player is offside he cannot play the ball or interfere with play. However when that player is no longer offside, there is no restriction on him playing the ball or interfering with play.
I think the law I quoted above is pretty clear.
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If a ref is going to dish out a YC or RC they need to be 100% sure that their decision is correct because they are important moments in the context of a game. Pearce gave a YC based on Crotty's reaction, and he was on the wrong side to see that was a perfectly legal dominant tackle around the chest. All he needed to do was ask the TMO to show all the camera angles on the big screen.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Laumape on for Crotty. McKenzie replaced Jordie. Boooooo
Where's the down vote?
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Well if you think this was deliberate you need to go for an HIA yourself because you are concussed. But that wont stop the snow flakes in twitter world screaming
That noise you heard in Wairarapa was the sound of Mark Reason's ball sack exploding in excitement at the prospect of another glorious chapter for his 'All Blacks are Thugs ' series of balanced, evidence-based columns.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
There are some losers in the world
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@marty said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Well if you think this was deliberate you need to go for an HIA yourself because you are concussed. But that wont stop the snow flakes in twitter world screaming
That noise you heard in Wairarapa was the sound of Mark Reason's ball sack exploding in excitement at the prospect of another glorious chapter for his 'All Blacks are Thugs ' series of balanced, evidence-based columns.
I thought he had a mangina?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven'tThey probably think there was nothing wrong with the officiating in 2007. I have, however, again seen references to McCaw kneeing Parra in the face in the 2011 final, something they keep on coming back to each time they think the referees have missed foul play by the ABs. I once replied with a reference to the alleged eye gouging committed against McCaw in the same match. I was almost eaten alive.
Joubert did his best to screw us out 2011. Just doesn't suit the narrative.
Sick it up losers.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
If a ref is going to dish out a YC or RC they need to be 100% sure that their decision is correct because they are important moments in the context of a game. Pearce gave a YC based on Crotty's reaction, and he was on the wrong side to see that was a perfectly legal dominant tackle around the chest. All he needed to do was ask the TMO to show all the camera angles on the big screen.
It's tough reffing this stuff.
Clumsy tackles, or poor timing with players falling can lead to head clashes. By comparison, the 'high' tackles with arm to neck rarely leads to injuries, but looks horrific.
I dunno, I wonder whether World Rugby should review their philosophy on cards adn when/how to dish them out. Was watching the Wales Arg game this morning and there were some contests in the air that i genuinely thought woudl be cards, but were just 'play on'. I'm really not sure if the players know what's OK or not any more - particularly in the air, or around tackles where players are goign down or leading with their head.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@machpants Obviously a bad injury especially since so close to the brain. Ofa might get cited but his arms appear to be in a position to tackle. I think the tackle brought Grosso down to that level. Hope he is doing OK. Not sure that it was deliberate.
What do you mean "not sure"?
Doesn't mean it doesn't warrant further scrutiny. But of course it wasn't deliberate.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if both Cane and Ofa end up in front of the beak. And can see reasons why both and neither cop a bsn.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo Sorry bollocks from the knock on the retreating player directly picked the ball up he was never played onside.
Yes he was.
